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Christians are sometimes mocked for having once believed the earth was flat. However, the only references I can find are Lactantius in the beginning of the 4th century, and Copernicus, who says Lactantius was childish.

As Lactantius was largely considered a heretic throughout much of church history, is there any other reputable Christian reference to believe in a flat earth based on religious views?

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This source Skeptics sounds similar to this question and has lot of answers to your question ! –  Pradeep Sep 24 '13 at 6:54
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Terry Jones has an entertaining lecture about this: youtube.com/watch?v=XcssI1Cwm-w –  James Sep 24 '13 at 11:33
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@James That link was to a preview of the lecture. The full event is found at youtube.com/watch?v=8qS_GiZjT9c . Thanks! –  jdj081 Sep 26 '13 at 1:59

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Indeed, the idea that educated people in the middle ages thought the earth was flat is a myth. It was well known to have been round since well before Christ.

Many early maps represent a round earth with edges covered by a sea. It is quite possible that the earliest of these actually are meant to represent a flat earth, but that's 6th century BC.

Babylonian map

Of course, a couple of hundred years later it was well known, at least amongst Greek philosophers, that the earth was round, and Eratosthenes calculated the earths circumference.

This didn't stop the use of maps that made the earth look like a disc, though. So called "T and O maps" was often drawn as philosophical representations of earth, throughout the middle ages. These may have helped fuel the idea that people in the middle ages thought the earth was flat, but that was not the case. These maps are just representations in principle of the earth, and should not be seen as actual maps. That also means that even the 6th century BC map above may represent a round earth.

There was attempts to make real maps fit the T and O perspective, but even so this should not be taken as a belief that the earth was flat.

Hereford Mappa Mundi

They can be interpreted as representing a belief that Jerusalem was located at the "top" of the earth, and that we all lived on the "top half", something that made theological sense.

Now about the question who believed the earth was flat, the answer therefore is "not many", but of course they existed. However, the mentioned Lactantius is the one of the few who is explicit, and clearly says that a round earth makes no sense. The other two we know of are Severian of Gabala and Cosmas Indicopleustes. These two both use religious arguments and basically says the earth is flat because it makes theological sense.

John Chrysostom and Athanasius of Alexandria both expressed the idea that the earth floats on water, and this is sometimes seen as evidence that they believed in a flat world. However, these quotes are rather arguments for God as a creator, more than arguments for a flat earth, so that interpretation is somewhat more tentative.

But although some scholars seem to have argued for a flat earth from a theological standpoint, most christian scholars clearly thought the world was round.

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Although Lennart speaks in generalities that are certainly correct, they do not preclude the existence of some reputable Christian references that espoused otherwise, which is the question at hand. –  user2590 Sep 24 '13 at 8:41
    
@Vector True, although it then becomes something of a Black Swan question. We can't list every scholar and their opinions. ;-) It also turns out to be surprisingly hard to prove someone believes in a flat earth, and only Lactatius is clear on the issue. –  Lennart Regebro Sep 24 '13 at 9:30
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We don't need "every scholar": Writings of the Church Fathers and their great theologians have been studied in detail, so there is source material available. But: "It also turns out to be surprisingly hard to prove someone believes in a flat earth." Very much agreed: I struggle with that in my answer, although Wikipedia seems to think it's a "slam dunk". Those writers were not geographers or scientists, but theologians, so they were not interested in doing analysis of the shape of the earth. Mostly we can just try to cull their POV on the question from their theology, and it's not easy at all. –  user2590 Sep 25 '13 at 6:38

Homilies Concerning the Statutes[75] St. John Chrysostom (344–408)

When therefore thou beholdest not a small pebble, but the whole earth borne upon the waters, and not submerged, admire the power of Him who wrought these marvellous things in a supernatural manner! And whence does this appear, that the earth is borne upon the waters? The prophet declares this when he says, "He hath founded it upon the seas, and prepared it upon the floods."1416 And again: "To him who hath founded the earth upon the waters."1417 What sayest thou? The water is not able to support a small pebble on its surface, and yet bears up the earth, great as it is; and mountains, and hills, and cities, and plants, and men, and brutes; and it is not submerged!

Similarly writes St Athanasius (c. 293 – 373): NPNF2-04. Athanasius: Select Works and Letters

Or who that sees the earth, heaviest of all things by nature, fixed upon the waters, and remaining unmoved upon what is by nature mobile, will fail to understand that there is One that has made and ordered it, even God?

Wikipedia on Flat Earth - Early Christian Church claims that these passages prove that St Athanasius and St. John Chrysostom believed in a flat earth, apparently based on their reading of Genesis 1, 9-10:

God said "Let the waters beneath the heavens gather into one place, and let dry land appear. And it was so. God named the dry land "Earth", and the gathering of waters He named "The Seas."

If so, the question is answered: We have esteemed Christian writers (saints, no less) who believed in a flat earth based on religious views. Although I am not convinced Wikipedia is correct: One can contend that they believed the earth was indeed a sphere, and balanced upon the waters, perhaps perched upon the South Pole, still Wikipedia's reading (apparently unsourced, although I did not examine all of their source material in detail), is certainly supportable from the plain meaning of those texts. See there in Wikipedia for more references on this subject.

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Wikipedia states "During the early Church period, with some exceptions, most held a spherical view, for instance, Augustine, Jerome, and Ambrose to name a few", so to emphasise the views of a few may be unbalanced –  Henry Sep 25 '13 at 21:48
    
@Henry - I understand. But the question does not ask for a balanced view. It seems to be asking for somebody.. anybody! :-) See my comments above on Lennart Regebro's answer. –  user2590 Sep 25 '13 at 21:55
    
Thank you for the references. Without the full context, I agree with @Lennart that these raw quotes are very definitive. It is true, I was asking for anybody, and this certainly gives a couple of maybes... For sure, it indicates that they hold up God's Word opposed to opposing arguments. On the other hand, even within modern history, the same words quoted here could have been referring to Continental Drift, so I don't know that they were arguing for a flat earth... –  jdj081 Sep 26 '13 at 1:53
    
@jdj081:they certainly were not arguing for a flat earth. The only thing we might cull from those sources (the links show actual transcripts, albeit translated) is that from the way they describe things, it appears they believed the earth was flat. But as remarked, I lean toward your POV: there is nothing compelling in those transcriptions. In such cases it might be important to see the texts in their original language, either Latin or Aramaic, and scholarly analysis proving the intent was a flat earth. The biblical verses themselves lend themselves more easily to spherical earth IMO. –  user2590 Sep 26 '13 at 3:53
    
Chrysostom (in the same passage) also cites a quote that says the earth is suspended from nothing and says it amounts to the same thing. The point of the passage is that either way something must be keeping it all working. If the earth was floating it would dissolve (eventually) if suspended from nothing something would have to keep it up (that something being divine providence of course). We might not accept that argument, but it is unclear that he is particularly wedded to a particular cosmology, this is just an analogy drawn from nature as far as I can see. –  Francis Davey 2 days ago

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