There is a folk tale of an Egyptian princess in Ireland around 1700 BC. Is there credible evidence of early contact between the two places?
In "Ptolemy's map of Ireland: a modern decoding,"* R. Darcy and William Flynn discuss Claudius Ptolemy's Geographia, a map (among many other things) mentioning what is believed to be Ireland, dating back to the early second century. Wiki says 140 AD but I could find no other source to corroborate that claim-- but logic suggests Ptolemy made Geographia in his life time, roughly AD 90 to AD 168. Note that although Claudius Ptolemy was of Greek origin, he lived and wrote in Egypt.
Based on these examples, the earliest documented connection between Egypt and Ireland is the early second century. Darcy and William make the point that because there is documentary evidence, including a map, that that knowledge would take time to acquire-- so the first connection between Ireland and Egypt may stretch closer to the first century.
*(Irish Geography, Vol. 41, No. 1 March 2008, pp. 49-69)
The Faddan More Psalter, dating from around 800 AD, found in a bog in Ireland, is lined with papyrus, leading to suggestions of links between the early Irish Christian Church and the Middle Eastern Coptic Church.
I haven't heard of a connection between Ireland and Egypt, but I have heard of Vikings making it to Greece closer to 1200 BC. I didn't see much about it on Wikipedia, but this article by Ellis Peterson is pretty reflective of what I had heard in a history class several years ago. He describes a Viking invasion at a time when the Greeks were weak.
If the Vikings could do it, I could see arguments that the Egyptians and Irish could as well. Still, it seems a little far-fetched that either the Irish or the Egyptians would accomplish it 500 years before the Vikings, who were renown for their abilities on the sea.
Alright, I tried googling "Irish Egyptian connection" and anything that actually referenced pre-Christian times also mentioned "Scota" or "Scotia" (the Egyptian princess from the folktale.) I also noticed that all of sites were outside of what one would consider standard academic history.
1. This was the first one I looked at, and by the time I got to this passage, I stopped reading:
I had no interest in reading about Ms. Adams' dream. I'm looking for actual historical evidence. Earlier, though, she talks about 1950s archeologist Dr. Sean O’Riordan who found the skeleton of young prince at Tara in Ireland. On the body, he found a necklace with "faience beads". The following year, they were carbon-dated to 1350 BC, and J. F. Stone and L. C. Thomas (she doesn't explain who they are), stated that the beads were Egyptian, "identical" to the type of beads found on King Tut.
2. My next hit was this forum for fans of a paranormal radio station. The highlights I noticed were mentions of the Berbers, who were apparently fair-skinned and fair-haired, connected to the Scottish, and (at some point) kings (pharaohs, maybe?) in Egypt.
3. Then I found this blog by Walter Bower, who keeps calling us "Earth Pilgrims". I have no idea what those are, but it gave me the same vibe as the previous two paranormal sites. He mentions Ralph Ellis, who is apparently a real expert on Egypt without being a stuffy actual historian. Maybe he's credible. Maybe he's not. I don't know. But Bower cites Ellis' work with more mentions of the special beads and the same quote from Stone and Thomas, but without the citation.
4. Next was this site which opened with these two sentences:
Maybe I'm too entrenched in limits of historical academia, but I'm pretty much gave up on this one when I got to "super-technologies." But there is this short bit regarding the actual Irish-Egyptian connection:
Again, more mention of Scota and more mention of real historians being jerks who won't think outside the box.
5. The last site I wasted my time on was pretty much more of the same. Ralph Ellis pops up again. We hear again that Menes, the first pharaoh, was buried in Ireland. I did also see the name Thoth cited. The very first site is "book-of-thoth.com", but I kind of breezed by that. I guess The History of Thoth: The Atlantean is a collection of ancient tablets. I'm not sure how credible they are, though.
And that's as far as I got before my toddler woke up from her nap. :) I think there's some decent evidence to support a connection. I'm not sure how much truth exists in the story of Scota, but it sounds like there's at least a grain of it. Too bad you have to sift through a lot of crap to find much hard evidence.
I don't know where I read this but I do remember an article that indicated a close DNA relationship between the Egyptians and a significant portion of the current Irish population. also I understand that bagpipes originated in Egypt.
There was a link between ancient egypt and middle or even northern europe through amber trade. Amber was regarded as sacred in ancient Egypt, so it had a high value, but could only (mostly) be found by the northern sea. I don't know, if this link can be expanded, but I suppose an ancient connection between Ireland and e.g. Germany is quite obvious.
See the Wikipedia article about the Amber-road with more sources:
In the way of clarification, the tradition concerning this post pertains to the Gaels, who are one specific ethnic invader of Ireland (there were many others). According to the Gaels they are "Feeny" meaning Phoenicians who originated in the Levant. They travelled first to Egypt (where they were guests), then to an island in the Mediterranean (Crete?), then to North Africa (Carthage), then to Spain (Galicia), then finally to Ireland and Britain where they invaded and settled. This occurred, according to them, in approximately 1500 B.C. (the invasion of Ireland).
One evidence that this tradition is fundamentally true is the similarity of the Phoenician language and ancient Gaelic. For example, in both languages the language for a citadel or fortress is "Kathair" which is often abbreviated to "kair" (for example, Carthage). Another example is from Plautus, the Roman playwright who includes the Punic (Phoenician) language in one of his plays in which he has a Carthaginian character. The character says "palum erga dectha" which means "I will submit to the commands of heaven" and is identical to the phrase "Ba lion earga deacta" which means exactly the same thing in Gaelic.
Another reason to suspect the migration is the worship of the same god, Bel. The pre-Christian Gaels worshipped a god to whom they sacriced and called "Bel" (pronounced "bale" like Christian Bale) which is exactly the same name as the god of the Phoenicians, which is often spelled "Baal" and is pronounced the same way. Believe it or not this god is still celebrated today in Ireland in the holiday called "Beltane" and you can attend Beltane celebrations if you travel to Ireland in early May.
As far as Egyptian culture which the Phoenicians may have transported to Ireland there are several interesting connections. One is the use of bagpipes. Another is the wearing of kilts.
But now a new book, Scota, Egyptian Queen of the Scots, by Ralph Ellis, claims to prove that this origin myth was no made-up story but the actual recording of an Egyptian exodus that did indeed conclude in Scotland.
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