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| Sep 18, 2015 at 21:51 | history | edited | kubanczyk | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 7, 2015 at 13:39 | vote | accept | Tom Au | ||
| Mar 28, 2013 at 21:13 | comment | added | Drux | Thx for this additional information. You're right, they are about the battle's larger historical context, which is fine with me. I've obtained Stoyle's (as the older) and Wheatcroft's books from the library. Started with the second, and it's an interesting read so far: e.g. learned that both the Ottoman and Habsburg empires saw themselves as heirs to the Roman empire and that they ascended almost in parallel: Frederick III became the first Habsburg Holy Roman Emperor in 1452, Mehmet II took Constantinople in 1453. | |
| Mar 28, 2013 at 20:34 | comment | added | Darek Wędrychowski | From what I know, British books dedicated to the battle cover the battle very shortly, speaking much more about all the context of it, with past and future happenings. John Stoye's "The Siege of Vienna" contains seven pages of the battle's description and Polish history lovers recommend it as a nice one. What's interesting, "Polish Medieval Armies" from Osprey series has awful reputation in Poland, even if it was half-written by a Pole. | |
| Mar 28, 2013 at 19:50 | comment | added | Drux | I shall read two books by British historians about the battle (as I had already planned to do for some time) and report new findings here. The older one contains the observation "As it happened, for the last time in John Sobieski's lifetime his physique was equal to a grand occasion. He was fifty-one years old in 1683, though already ailing too often, and far too fat," so I guess they could lean either way regarding the (sub-)question of what main ingredient may have determined the battle's outcome | |
| Mar 28, 2013 at 13:30 | comment | added | Darek Wędrychowski | Also the question is not if 3000 of hussars defeated Ottoman Empire, but what kind of forces they were. That's why I focus on that in my answer, while adding the Ottoman point of view as a trivia. | |
| Mar 28, 2013 at 13:26 | history | edited | Darek Wędrychowski | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 28, 2013 at 11:39 | comment | added | Darek Wędrychowski | I'm not the expert historian, I can provide only Polish sources for that, and they will be always treated as "Polish sources". For Poland it wasn't the first time when winged cavalry did something like that, because in 17th century they were like tanks against infantry, while the heavy cavalry in Western Europe was not as effective anymore and stopped serving as main forces. The difference between them and the rest of cavalry at the battlefield was enormous. Of course it finished in 18 century, with the age of guns. | |
| Mar 28, 2013 at 6:17 | comment | added | Drux | Hmm ... I'm missing sources for the middle section re Winged hussars in Battle of Vienna. From what I've seen it's uncontested that Sobieski brought in a relief army without which Vienna would have been lost within a few days and as supreme military leader of the coalition forces he deserves clear merit for ending the siege. But whether he and the hussars turned the battle around may still be a different matter. (Apart from merits on the Christian side, it appears that the Turks had left their back undefended, which also was an important ingredient in how history was made that day.) | |
| Mar 27, 2013 at 23:09 | history | edited | Darek Wędrychowski | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 27, 2013 at 22:42 | history | edited | Darek Wędrychowski | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 27, 2013 at 22:27 | history | answered | Darek Wędrychowski | CC BY-SA 3.0 |