So, this is possibly a dumb question, but is there an unofficial title for the third or fourth son of a king? Like the first son is "the heir" and the second is "the spare" but is there something similar of the third or fourth son? Or is it just third in line and fourth in line? I've tried looking it up online but I can't seem to find anything about it.
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3This is probably better suited for ELU.– SpencerMar 21, 2019 at 12:39
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2I don't think there was any convention beyond the first two - you are free to invent whatever you want. (There was another maxim that the first son went to the land, the second to the military, the third to the church and the fourth to penury ... or something like that....)– MCW ♦Mar 21, 2019 at 17:48
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@Spencer Oh, I'm sorry! I thought this question was better suited for this stack exchange because I thought there might be some historical reference for my question. Do I need to message a mod to close this question and then ask it again in ELU?– yukimodaMar 22, 2019 at 1:14
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Basically, Mark C. Wallace's comment is probably the correct answer but, as there seems to be some interest in this question...
The only unofficial names for 3rd and 4th sons in use appear to be spare and (less commonly) spare to the spare. There are many online sources (both 'history' and 'non-history') using spare for third, fourth, fifth etc sons, and in the UK these now include daughters.
Unexpected Heirs in Early Modern Europe: Potential Kings and Queens (Valerie Schutte, ed.) uses spare for King Henry III of France, who was the fourth son of Henry II of France, and also for Gaston, Duke of Orléans, third son (though 2nd surviving) of Henry IV of France.
The Historyextra site mentions ...plus at least one spare in case of accidents while spare to the spare is used with reference to Prince Edward, 4th son of Elizabeth II in this (not very historical) book.
answered Mar 22, 2019 at 0:46
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2Would the downvoter care to explain? This does actually answer the question for unofficial title (as specified by the OP). Mar 22, 2019 at 1:57
I think it mostly depends on the monarchy you are dealing with ; It seems to me that most of the "direct" line of succession during the Old Regime in France were all "Princes".
During the two French Empire, the only one to have a "special" title was the direct heir, titled "Imperial Prince", while others are only titled "Prince". Visit this Wiki here if you can speak french or can translate it easily.
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Also, in the old regime in France, the direct inheritor was titled "Dauphin", and the others "fils de france" (Son of France"), as you can learn more here, more english friendly than my last link. Mar 21, 2019 at 17:48
If you are interested in heraldry, Cadency Marks differentiate the shields of each children, with special symbols for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. But this is very dependent on the country and time period.
And in iberian monarchies, Infante was the title given for all children of the king who were not the first to inherit. e.g., "Prince Henry the Navigator" in Portuguese sources is known as "Infante Dom Henrique, o Navegador".
Moreover, to complement ShadowEntun answer, the eldest daughter of the english monarch is a Princess Royal
But, except for the cadency marks, I have never seen specific and fixed titles for each and every royal child.
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1The title Princess Royal is in the gift of the sovereign, and not automatic. Moreover, it is held for life, so can only be conferred after the death of the previous Princess Royal. Also, AFAIK, it was originally limited to princesses not in direct line of succession, (such as Princess Elizabeth) although the adoption of gender-blind primogeniture may change that. Mar 22, 2019 at 6:11
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1yeah, English titles are always more complicated than one expects. But at least it is customarily given to an specific child in the royal family. thx!– LuizMar 22, 2019 at 13:50
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