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The various proto-Indo-European groups which entered European in the 2nd millennium BCE replaced local languages very thoroughly. Basque and Sami might be remainders of pre-PIE people's languages. Their technology (e.g., horses, bronzeworking) also became very widespread. But what about the people?

On the one extreme, it's possible that the PIEs killed off almost all of the locals, leaving isolated populations (e.g., the aforementioned Basques) and a small fraction of survivors who were genetically dwarfed. I.e., similar to the near-extinction events in America and Australia when smallpox-carrying Europeans arrived.

On the other extreme, it's possible that a relatively small number of well-armed chariot riders put themselves in power but contributed relatively little to the gene pool, like the Mongols in China or the Spanish in Mexico.

Do we have enough information to make a guess as to what place on this spectrum is most likely?

  • Basque is a pre-Indo-European language, actually; I don't think anyone seriously doubts that. More controversial is whether certain geographic names or words in Indo-European languages were co-opted from pre-existing languages. For example, the disputed Germanic substrate and Vasconic substratum theories. – Semaphore Dec 5 '14 at 14:30
  • Note that the foregoing statement does not apply to Sempahore who, unlike all other linguists, is a historical genius with a great logical capacity. – Tyler Durden Dec 5 '14 at 16:27
  • @TylerDurden: if your opinion is that the question isn't answerable, that would itself be a legit answer. – user4139 Dec 5 '14 at 20:25
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    Why do you mention Sami, and not Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian etc.? These are all Uralic languages. What is different about Sami? – fdb Dec 5 '14 at 23:53
  • Wikipedia describes the Sami as "indigenous" Scandinavians, implying that they inhabited the area before the proto-Germanic people who became modern Scandinavians. I'm not terribly interested in debating who is or isn't of PIE descent, however, I'm just giving examples to illustrate that few non-PIE languages exist in Europe today. – user4139 Dec 6 '14 at 4:34
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Update - February 21, 2017:

A new study ... Genetic data suggest that modern European ancestry represents a mosaic of ancestral contributions from multiple waves of prehistoric migration events. Recent studies of genomic variation in prehistoric human remains have demonstrated that two mass migration events are particularly important to understanding European prehistory: the Neolithic spread of agriculture from Anatolia starting around 9,000 years ago, and migration from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe around 5,000 years ago. These migrations are coincident with large social, cultural, and linguistic changes, and each has been inferred to have replaced more than half of the contemporaneous gene pool of resident Central Europeans.

SOURCE: Read more at: phys-org

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Based on archeological evidence, the expansion of Indo-Europeans into Europe went hand-in-hand with the introduction of Neolithic techniques. In plain English, the Indo-Europeans were the area's first farmers.

The important thing to realize about the introduction of farming is that it supports orders of magnitude larger population than does hunting and gathering. In any given area where both cultures might try to live together, there would have ended up being 10 to 100 times more farmers.

So the simple fact is that it doesn't really matter much. If the gatherers tried to fight, they'd lose. If they tried to peacefully coexist, they'd get culturally and genetically swamped. There were just not enough of them to make a dent in the oncoming wave of farmers. They'd hardly even be a speed-bump.

A society's best bet would be to try to hole up in an area that's bad for farming, or adapt to the new techniques (without somehow not also adopting the new language and culture). At least a few managed to do that, as there is still one group of native non-Indo-Europeans still in Europe, and there were a few more in historical times.

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    Farming is also associated with crowd diseases, which can certainly ruin your whole day. I've seen conflicting information about whether PIE people brought agriculture to Europe or if it preceded them, however; there are enclosed fields in Ireland from ~3500 BCE, roughly 1,000 years before PIE. I might ask that as a separate question. – user4139 Dec 6 '14 at 4:45
  • Definitely wrong. Tripolian culture had much more advanced agriculture and greater population (two largest cities in the world!) than Proto-Indo-Europeans. – Anixx Dec 6 '14 at 6:44
  • @Anixx - I think you are referring to the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture. Its a legit point that they were in (far eastern) Europe with agriculture earlier. Why they disappeared is not agreed upon, with the more recent theory being that climate change made that area much more suitable for pastoralism than agriculture. I'm not sure what this really tells us in general though. – T.E.D. Mar 23 '15 at 20:40
  • FWIW my understanding is that archeologists that worked on Göbekli Tepe suggest that the large community that built it was hunters and gatherers. So the notion that early farming supports that much more population than what hunters and gatherers might have gotten might be speculative. – Denis de Bernardy Jul 22 '17 at 16:30
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The Indo-European migration happened relatively - emphasis on relatively - soon after the end of the Ice Age. Much of Europe had been uninhabitable or barely habitable until a few thousand years before the Indo-European migrations are thought to have happened. The Sami were relative newcomers compared to the Basques, since they came from the east after the ice age just like the Indo-Europeans

My point being, when it comes to northern and central Europe, there had simply not been a lot of time for anyone else to develop large population levels. The Indo-Europeans may well have (mistakenly) thought the entire continent uninhabited, since the resistance to the invasion would have been negligible. I would compare the dynamic to the expansion of Americans into the area west of the Thirteen Colonies, which was very sparsely populated due to plague and non-industrialized agriculture. The indigenous population is displaced or absorbed whether or not any violence happens. This is the unfortunate fate of a lot of small, local cultures all over the world today. Kids stop learning their parents' old language, etc.

  • This answer would be better if it were supported by research. – Mark C. Wallace Mar 22 '15 at 23:03
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I'd say your question itself gives the likely answer. Absent some written source explaining what happened, it is more or less a question of which is more likely:

That in a sparsely populated world, that the proto-Indos did which one of:

1) did not move into a region at all, but exported its culture and language through co-opting the original ruling class
2) moved into a region cooperatively, and culturally absorbed the original settlers
3) moved into a region by conquest, keeping the original settlers as an underclass that absorbed the culture of the conquerers
4) moved into a region and pushed every last settler out to some other region
5) moved into a region and killed every last settler out of hand

If you look at post-historical migrations, there are instances of Case 1 - Rome in Britain, Asia Minor. For Case 2 - Caesar mentions some Germans invited into part of Gaul peacefully. For case 3 - German migrations into West Roman Empire, Turks in Asia Minor post Manzikert. This leaves case 4 and 5 which I can't recall a single provable instance in written history. This would also take a pretty organized state to pursue such a rigorous course, which is unlikely to be possible so long ago.

Up until recently, Linguists seemed to assume that language was almost an innate part of a people and thus a language change meant a change in the people themselves. More recently, though, it is found that if there is an advantage, customs and languages will change without much or any demographic change.

  • Examples of scenario #4 and #5 are sadly common in recent history, as long as you're not too strict about "every last settler." I gave the examples of indigenous Americans (in most of the areas which would become the continental U.S.) and aboriginal Australians. Bronze Age histories often describe defeated tribes being slaughtered, with the survivors enslaved and dispersed. Do you have an opinion as to which of these five scenarios is most likely? – user4139 Dec 6 '14 at 4:39

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