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Why weren't aircraft carriers used to launch fighter planes to support bombers to targets in Germany? They could have gotten the fighter planes closer. Might have solved the range problem until the mustangs could arrive.

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    Probably because there were a limited number of carriers and Pacific operations were a much more effective use of them. – Steven Burnap Mar 7 '17 at 3:35
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    look at this question why werent aircraft carriers utilized during d-day – justCal Mar 7 '17 at 6:06
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    Because the European theater was already supplied with a nice aircraft carrier: HMS Britain :-) – jamesqf Mar 7 '17 at 6:17
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    Question presents no evidence that carrier based fighters didn't support bombers. Question presumes facts not in evidence. (Question in fact presents no evidence or research). – Mark C. Wallace May 6 at 13:39
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    Another assumption made by the OP is that carrier-based airplanes would have a longer range. Given the size limitations, land-based aircraft likely had larger fuel tanks and therefore longer range, even taking into account having to fly to the coast. And clearly range wasn't the only issue, otherwise all the airbases would have been perched on the beach. – Acccumulation May 6 at 17:06
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Carrier-based fighters would only have been able to provide support around the north-eastern corner of Germany. The Supermarine Seafire, for example, had a range of only 825 km (this is the total flight distance from take-off to landing) at cruising speed (which was the same as a B-26). This means they only had a combat radius of about 400 km. Other planes, such as Hellcats, which had a larger combat radius would likely not have been a good match against the more agile land-based fighters the Germans would put into the air.

This would be just enough to allow the plane to fly from Cuxhaven (in the corner of the German North Sea coast) to Frankfurt, Leipzig, or Berlin. This assumes the carrier is pretty much parked on the German coastline - leaving it massively vulnerable to attack.

Also, the North Sea was an incredibly unsafe place for ships of either side - minefields and easy reach from the British and German coastlines meant that any ship operating there was easy pickings. While the North Sea was nominally under British control, major fleet operations there were avoided in World War II because of what had happened at the infamous Battle of Jutland.

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    Combat radius is considerably less than half of cruising range. If your hypothetical Seafire got into a dogfight over Berlin, the pilot would need to bail out on the way back, when his plane ran out of fuel. (In a protracted fight, he might need to bail out over Berlin due to fuel exhaustion.) – Mark Oct 24 '18 at 19:41
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Carrier-based fighters could have been somewhat helpful to the USAAF's day bombing campaign over Germany before the arrival of the Mustang. They could have helped with bombing the coastal area of north-east Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and France.

However, this would have involved the USAAF, part of the US Army, admitting that their weapons and tactics for bomber defence were faulty and the US Navy could do something that they could not do for themselves. They really weren't keen on those ideas.

The Royal Air Force did send fighters along on their night bombing raids. These were twin-engine Beaufighter or Mosquito aircraft, with long range, whose purpose was to hunt and kill Luftwaffe night-fighters. They were equipped with radar and a variety of devices for detecting and homing on Luftwaffe night-fighters' radar emissions. They either flew with the bombers and hunted in their vicinity, or lurked near night-fighter bases to catch their prey at takeoff or landing. The Luftwaffe did stage "intruder" missions of this type for a while, but Hitler decided that they should defend Germany over Germany, rather than over Britain.

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The only point in using carriers would be to launch the escorting fighters near Germany to provide longer range escort. That means stationing the carriers fairly close to Germany, as in closer than the UK airfields, as in the North Sea to the east of the UK. That brings those carriers within range of a large number of land based aircraft, and also puts those carriers in one of the standard submarine routes from the northern U boat bases to the Atlantic.

Consider that the Pacific theater was huge. Both sides had a large area to defend, so carriers didn't tend to face large numbers of attacking aircraft, just whatever one or two opposing carriers might be able to launch, and occasional land based aircraft.

The European theater was much more compact, so it would have not been a problem for both the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine to bring a large number of attackers to bear on a carrier force stationed to the east of Scotland, while also being able to reposition those forces after the attack back to their normal bases.

A similar situation arose when US forces attacked Okinawa, which was within range of land based aircraft stationed in southern Japan. The US fleet came under regular attack from land based aircraft in large numbers, and suffered accordingly. Some of the success was due to Tokko (Kamikaze) tactics, but some was the large number of land based planes that could be launched against the fleet at one time. That would have been the case with carriers operating close to continental Europe.

In the period when carrier fighter escorts might have made a difference in the ETO, which would have been 1943, German submarines were operating at their peak, and fast JU88's with torpedoes were causing significant damage to the Murmansk convoys.

Carriers close to continental Europe in 1943 would have been very difficult to defend, would have been fairly easy to locate, and probably would have suffered high casualties. Any fighter forces they held would have been hard pressed to just defend the carriers, let alone mount bomber escort missions.

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Take a look here for information on British Aircraft Carriers in WW2. Seems like convoy protection and assisting the US in the Pacific were a higher priority to them. The land-based RAF flew night bombing missions in general.

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Why weren't aircraft carriers used to launch fighter planes to support bombers to targets in Germany?

Because it was very dangerous to do. HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse were sank because they were too close to shore.

They could have gotten the fighter planes closer. Might have solved the range problem until the mustangs could arrive.

No, it wouldn't. The range of a Seafire is 825 km. A Fairey Swordfish did slightly better at 840 km. Effectively they couldn't go any further than about 300 km. You need time and fuel to get back and remain on station. It's even worse, as those carriers had to maneuver exceptionally close to shore to give them that range. Not exceptionally close, but suicidally close.

The Seafire came into service after 1941, and the Swordfish was a torpedo bomber, not a fighter. The Blackburn Roc was retired in 1943, for lack of performance. The Gloster Sea Gladiator had a range of 800 km, and was already outdated before WW2 began.

  • HMS Hood was sunk by being completely out-classed in a gunnery duel with the Bismark, combined with a design flaw that allowed the first salvo to hit vital innards. What are you talking about. – Pieter Geerkens May 10 at 5:12
  • @PieterGeerkens and Steve Bird - you were absolutely right. I made corrections. – Jos May 10 at 6:43
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I think the short answer is: It would have been suicide.

The North Sea is not a very large sea. And that's where the carrier fighters would have to be launched from to provide fighter support for the bombers.

In order to provide support for the bombers (which often numbered over 500), there would probably have to be at least 2 carriers maybe 3 (each with about 60 fighters). Remember you can't commit every fighter to bomber escort, as a CAP would still be necessary to protect the carrier and the escorts. So to provide a meaningful number of fighters (100+), we would need at least two very possibly 3 carriers.

With support and escort, we are talking about a LOT of high value targets in a very small amount of space, for a predictable window of time.

That is absolute suicide.

Germany had hundreds of U-boats by the time the air war really heated up.

And Germany occupied France, Norway and Denmark.

The carrier strike groups would literally be surrounded on 3 sides by enemy air fields. Worse, the Germans could come at them within 2 hours (with a flight time of less than an hour)... and a typical bomber stream could last well over 6 hours...

The odds would be heavily against the flattops.

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The air campaign was already highly expensive. The Allies spent 8 billion gallons of avgas in the west alone during the war. That's almost 100 million barrels per year 1943-45, which was greater than Germany's entire fuel production. If you are going to use carriers, then this is a whole extra burden to maintain a fleet at sea year round. A carrier consumes hundreds of barrels per day. Add in escorts and support vessels and you get up into the millions of barrels per year.

The island hopping strategy in the Pacific was partly based on having access to land based air, because it is cheaper to supply. Carriers are only meant to be used in open ocean where no airbases are available. They are an extra supply cost in addition to the airplanes themselves.

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    The cost of fuel (~$1/barrel for crude in the 1940s) would seem trivial in comparison to the cost of losing the aircraft carriers (~$80m in the 1940s, two-year lead time) or escorts. I can't see this as being the major motivation, if it was even considered at all, especially since a large & fuel-hungry fleet was already being operated out of the UK with a corresponding logistical train in place. – Andrew Mar 7 '17 at 12:30
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    Also, the arithmetic is wrong. 100 million barrels a year would take 80 years to use up 8 billion barrels. – John Dallman Mar 7 '17 at 17:00
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    In the grand scheme of WWII, with thousands of combat ships, tens of thousands of transports, tens of thousands of aircraft, tanks, hundreds of thousands of vehicles, and millions of fighting men... the cost for the gasoline for a couple of aircraft carriers is nothing. Especially compared to the cost of losing dozens of bombers a day (roughly $250,000 each in 1945) to German fighters. And the Allies already had a massive navy, including carriers, operating in the Atlantic, burning fuel. Whether they could spare any of them is a different matter. – Schwern Mar 11 '17 at 21:55
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    @PainFither Welcome to History.SE. We don't operate like other forums and pride ourselves on well sourced answers and civil discourse. If someone finds fault with your answer, they're going to say so with reasons. Above all, comments and votes about your answer are about the answer, not about you. Responding with "you're wrong" won't get you very far here. If you think a comment is mistaken, reply with your own reasons and discuss it. Please continue to participate and answer, but also listen to the comments and respond meaningfully. – Schwern Mar 13 '17 at 17:55
  • Then delete the other answers – Pain Fither Mar 30 '17 at 22:38

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