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I have an essay to write and the question is simple.

Did the Jews first live in Palestine and then move to Germany? If they did move to Germany, why did they and did they return?

I just need to know that. My searches on Google always yield me some long Balfour Declaration posts. Can I please have a simple answer?

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    I have posted an answer, and kept it simple. But why did you include the tag, "nazi germany", in your question?? This is a question about Ashkenazi origins, isn't it? What does the 20th century have to do with it? – Shimon bM Mar 25 '17 at 11:48
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    A religion can spread geographically without any migration of human beings. And even when intermarriage is forbidden, it can happen. So I don't know if there is any way to tell whether an Ashkenazi Jew in Germany in 1850 was actually there because his/her ancestors, or some percentage of them, traveled from Palestine to Germany. – Ben Crowell Mar 26 '17 at 23:40
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    If there were a simple answer.... Whited's first law, "It's a little more complicated than that." "The Jews" is not a monolith. Some Jews may have moved from Palestine to Germany. Others didn't. Still others moved from other places to Germany. Are we talking only Ashkenazi? What time period? And why is Nazi germany in the tags> – Mark C. Wallace Mar 27 '17 at 13:48
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The Jews were largely exiled from 'Judea' which Romans then renamed 'Palestina' in 132CE by the Romans, after a rebellion against Roman rule. They dispersed into the Roman Empire, and gradually spread to all parts of the world. 1800 years later, there were quite a lot of them in Germany, but it's very unlikely that many, if any, had moved as individuals all the way from Judea to the territories outside the Roman Empire that are now Germany.

The Zionist movement, which started in the nineteenth century, wanted to return the Jews to their original homeland and create a new state of Israel. After the Holocaust, this project became a much higher priority, and modern Israel was founded in 1948. Jews from all over the world have settled there. However, the previous inhabitants were not happy about this.

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    Of course it was not "Palestine" then, but Judea. – jamesqf Mar 25 '17 at 17:55
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    @jamesqf That depends on who you ask. – HopelessN00b Mar 25 '17 at 19:31
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    @HopelessN00b Maybe jamesqf meant in 132 CE where there was a Roman province IUDAEA. – Jeppe Stig Nielsen Mar 25 '17 at 21:27
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    @jamesqf - It would be Judaea... and Samaria. And probably Idumaea and Galilea, and Edom, and Moab. But the whole region was know as the land of the Philistines - hence Palestina - before the Hebrews settled there. – Luís Henrique Apr 4 '17 at 19:15
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    @tetra - a comprehensive explanation of the issue is here: jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11866-palestine . According to it, the Old Testament uses the term exclusively for the region in the Southern litoral, but as early as Herodotus, "Palestine" was used to the whole polygon between the Mediterranean, the Jordan, the Negev, and Syria. So neither as old as "before the Hebrews settled there", nor as new as after the illegal occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. – Luís Henrique Apr 22 '17 at 1:02
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It is not clear exactly when Jews first started settling in Germany, but there is evidence of Jewish settlement in the Rhineland communities of Speyer, Worms and Mainz already by the 10th century. There are different theories as to where they had come from.

The most widely held theory is that they were Palestinian. Most recently, this theory was challenged by Haym Soloveitchik. See his "The Third Yeshiva of Bavel" (in his Collected Essays Volume II) for a detailed description as to why he thinks that the community derived predominantly from Babylonia.

It's a technical piece, and for a more general overview, see this interview with Prof. Soloveitchik. He makes reference to this theory of his towards the end. To the best of my knowledge, it is not well accepted: the theory of Palestinian origins remains the most widely held.

  • When you say The most widely held theory is that they were Palestinian do you mean that they migrated (more or less) directly from Palestine to Germany? – SJuan76 Mar 25 '17 at 12:02
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    @SJuan76, yes. That they had moved to Germany from the land of Israel, rather than from Babylonia or Tunisia, etc. And that they had done so by the 10th century. – Shimon bM Mar 25 '17 at 12:13
  • I thought the main theory was they migrated from Italy. – Anixx Mar 25 '17 at 15:10
  • @Anixx, but where did they come from before they went to Italy? – Ian Ringrose Mar 25 '17 at 22:49
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    @IanRingrose, the Italian Jewish community hailed from Palestine. – Shimon bM Mar 25 '17 at 22:52
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According to Max I. Dimont's "Jews, God and History" (Simon & Schuster 1962), pp. 210-211:

After the conquest of Judah by Pompey, Jews and Romans became "inseparable." Behind the Roman armies carrying the Imperial Eagles marched the Jews carrying the banners of free enterprise. The Jews were in Italy in the second century, B.C., in France in the first L> century, B.C., in Spain a hundred years later. At the end of third century, A.D., they had penetrated as far north as Cologne, Germany. When the barbarians from the East invaded Western Europe, the Jews had been there for centuries.

Of course, not all Jews went to Europe. Babylonia continued to be a hub of Jewish learning and culture, that it had been after the destruction of the First Temple, until the 11th century, A.D., corresponding with the violent invasion of the Islamic Empire. See Dimont, p. 185; Iggeret Rav Sherira Gaon ("[The] Epistle of Rav Sherira Gaon"). Also, many Jews never left Palestine, although the Romans prevented the Jewish return to Jerusalem until after the death of Hadrian in 138 A.D. Jews were again exiled from Jerusalem following the rise of the Byzantines in the third century AD. The Jewish presence in Palestine peaked in the 4th century, living in 43 Jewish communities. By 638, A.D., when the Islamic Empire took control of Palestine, at least one study estimated that between 300,000 and 400,000 Jews lived in Palestine. Jews also lived in Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Tunisia and Morocco after the collapse of the Second Temple in 70 A.D., until the establishment of the modern Israeli Jewish state.

You asked when and why Jews moved from Germany to Palestine. Emigration of Jews from Europe began at the end of the 19th century, following the Dreyfus Affair in France and the rise of Zionism, increasing following the Balfour Declaration where the United Kingdom expressed support for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. Emigration from Europe to Palestine increased further with the rise of Nazism in Germany. Dimont, p. 287.

  • Migration of Jews from Europe at the end of the 19th century actually began decades before the Dreyfus affair. – Evargalo May 6 at 13:39

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