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Their role in the Middle East and North Africa was pretty similar to that of the French and British, who succeeded them. The French and British rule of their areas is generally called colonial rule, the Ottoman rule isn't. Why so?

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    I suspect the answer depends on the bias of who you ask. Likely to be closed as opinion related unless you can clarify what it means to count as a colonial power. "generally called..." - called by whom? This question should cite all non-trivial assertions. – Mark C. Wallace Aug 13 '17 at 12:36
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    No they were not colonial powers because their role in the Middle East and North Africa was NOT pretty similar to that of the French and the British rule. Your assumption itself is wrong. Please provide sources to claim that your assumptions are correct – Sonevol Aug 13 '17 at 13:23
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    @MarkC.Wallace That the term colonial power is in use for the French or British empires in the middle east and North Africa suceeding the Ottoman rule is a trivial assertion. What it means more generally to be a colonial power is not for the question to clarify, since it is the answer. – HannesH Aug 13 '17 at 13:33
  • @Sonevol So what were they dissimilar on, relevant to my assumption that their form of rule was similar? Feel free to just provide you favourite relevant difference. – HannesH Aug 13 '17 at 14:25
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Colonialism in its strict and historic sense means the practice of settling a large number of colonists in subject countries, as did the British in North America, Ireland, Southern Africa, Australia, New Zeeland, the French in Algeria, the Spanish and Portuguese in Latin America, the Russians in virtually all of their annexed territories, and many parallel examples in the pre-modern world. In this strict sense the Ottoman Turks did not practice colonialism; they did not send significant numbers of Turks to live in conquered lands. The Ottoman Empire was, however, an imperial power which ruled a large number of foreign countries against the will of the native population

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    Ok, with this definition the distinction makes sense. I would however submit that sending large numbers of colonists isn't generally known to be a defining requiremend for colonialism. No territory held by Germany, Belgium or the Netherlands would qualify. Still, what kind of rule was it in the Kongo, Tansania or Indonesia? – HannesH Aug 13 '17 at 13:52
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    I think there is an advantage in distinguishing "colonialism" from "imperialism". But in general parlance the two terms are used interchangeably. – fdb Aug 13 '17 at 13:56
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    "They did not send significant numbers of Turks to live in conquered lands " Actually, they did, in the Balkans, North Africa, and the Arab world. The real problem is in OP's question mentioned as raised by Marc: how did OP arrive at the notion the Ottomans weren't a colonial power. – Denis de Bernardy Aug 13 '17 at 13:56
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    @DenisdeBernardy The question doesn't arrive at the notion that the Ottomans were no colonial power, nor did Mark state that it did. – HannesH Aug 13 '17 at 14:11
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    @DenisdeBernardy If you have sources to demonstate that the Ottoman Empire did in fact meet the requirement of sending large numbers of colonists as well (to their continetal territorys), all the better. Just that Wikipedia link doesn't. – HannesH Aug 13 '17 at 14:20
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The Ottoman Empire, like China, did not fit the "classic" definition of colonial power.

The European countries are considered "colonists" because they colonized or settled lands far from their homelands in the Americas, Africa, Asia, and Australia.

The Ottomans (and Chinese) conquered areas that were outside of, but adjacent to, their homelands. I would call it a "creeping" colonization. But many people characterize these two countries as "conquerers," rather than "colonizers."

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    I do not see how e.g. Algeria is more geographically adjacent to Turkey than it is to France. – HannesH Aug 13 '17 at 17:53
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    @HannesH: the empire was a continuous stretch of land from Turkey to North Africa at one point. – Denis de Bernardy Aug 13 '17 at 18:10
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    Intersting point. But wouldn't that make the Venetian and Genovese empires colonial as well? – HannesH Aug 14 '17 at 14:26
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    @HannesH: I would certainly make that case for Venice. In the case of Genoa, less so because Corsika is close enough to be "contiguous," IMHO, even thought technically it's not. I don't consider Newfoundland a "colony" of Canada. – Tom Au Aug 14 '17 at 15:01
  • @TomAu: Newfoundland joined Canada after a referendum in Newfoundland on July 22, 1948. "A second referendum was held July 22 to settle the issue, whereupon 52.3 percent voted for confederation, versus 47.7 percent for a return to the pre-1934 system." – Pieter Geerkens Jun 1 '18 at 22:54
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The French and British rule of their areas is generally called colonial rule, the Ottoman rule isn't.

Actually, that's not quite right. You can see the Ottomans listed here at the side of other "well known" colonial powers like the US or Japan. The Ottomans were active in the Balkans, North Africa, and the Arab World.

I think it's worth briefly describing what other European colonialism looked like to put the Ottoman colonialism in context.

What one often means by colonialism is countries sending waves of settlers overseas, as occurred when the major colonial powers (Spain, Portugal, France, and the UK) colonized the Americas. State sponsored migrations like those slowed down after former American colonies gained their independence. There were a handful of major settlements outside of the Americas, for instance in South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand. But these were exceptions rather than the rule.

Elsewhere, the Europeans met hostile environments (deserts, tropical diseases) and densely populated areas. Colonial powers didn't settle them. Rather, they'd claim them and set up trade outposts. Improvements in travel conditions and medicine later led them to also bring in troops and administrators in the 19th century. And settlers came too, but there was no large scale state-sponsored migration like in the Americas. The number of Europeans in these colonies was very small. So small, in fact, that some observers quipped Indians could drown the Brits living there were they to spit all at once.

Lastly, there was an exception to the exception. Large scale migrations occurred in North Africa to the point where 1.6 million or so "pieds noirs" came back to France when Algeria, Morocco, and Tunis gained independence. But Algeria was special. It was a French "Département" i.e. part of France proper. Schools were teaching "Nos ancêtres, les Gaulois" (our ancestors, the Gauls) to Algerian kids. While it's also called colonialism, it's tempting to file it under cultural conversion, cultural spread, or something to that effect.

My admittedly vague understanding of Ottoman colonialism is that it shared traits with the three above descriptions - though mostly the third. The empire itself was culturally diverse, with the Ottomans in control of the administration and the population mostly left to its own affairs. Settlers were sent in its periphery (rather than overseas) to spread Turkish culture. Much like Russia, one might add.

Another factor that made them different is that they were considered the Sick man of Europe until they collapsed. European powers at the time were awaiting when they'd be able to partition the empire between themselves.

  • Your musing on 1,6 million people "coming back" to France is off-topic. – HannesH Aug 13 '17 at 18:15
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    @HannesH: On the contrary... per the paragraph above it, there was very little migration from Europe to African and Asian colonies... with one exception: North Africa, where French migrated en mass. – Denis de Bernardy Aug 13 '17 at 19:26
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Mostly because we are talking about different times and different contexts. I don't know what you have in mind and exactly how you came to this specific comparison but the similarities do not seem that obvious and calling “colonialism” every territorial expansion to dominate culturally diverse populations is not very useful. If anything, the most natural analogies would be with the Habsburg monarchy, the Russian Empire, or Persia and those aren't usually considered colonial powers either.

  • Can you provide this difference in context? As for different times, the ottoman empire ended in 1920. – HannesH Jun 2 '18 at 15:11
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    @HannesH Yes, around the same time as the Russian Empire and the remnants of the Habsburg monarchy (i.e. Austria-Hungary) but it expanded much earlier and was in many ways similar to these states. I am beginning to wonder whether you know anything about the history/are interested to learn or are just being argumentative... – Relaxed Jun 2 '18 at 15:21
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If we're discussing colonialism in political discourse, there's a very simple answer, which seems to me both obvious and politically incorrect. The people who talk of colonialism generally do so from a pre-existing world view, in which colonialism is all about evil white Europeans invading & oppressing virtuous peoples with darker skin. (In extreme cases, virtuous because their skin is darker.)

Since the Ottomans tended to have the same (North Africa) or darker (Balkans) skin than the subject peoples of their empire, therefore by the above criteria, they can't possibly be colonialists, can they? And this logic carries over to e.g. Russian expansionism in the Baltics, Chinese forays into Tibet, &c.

It's the same sort of reasoning that claims that black people can't be racist: that is, it's a claim that is stated for political reasons (whether or not the person making the claim actually believes it), without having any basis in actual evidence.

  • Can you clarify what you mean by "It's the same sort of reasoning that claims that black people can't be racist."? – guest271314 Jun 3 '18 at 20:20
  • Well french indochina is unanimously considered a colony of france, but southwest asians doesn't have darker skins than french people. – Bregalad Jun 4 '18 at 16:23
  • @Bregalad: My observation, while of course limited, suggests otherwise. I don't know of any actual data, though. – jamesqf Jun 4 '18 at 17:29
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    I think this answer veers off of history and into political discourse at some point. There is no bright line boundary, but I ask that you review the answer and determine if all of the text is historical. – Mark C. Wallace Jun 4 '18 at 17:41
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The answer is quite simple. As a historical researcher, the colony term is used as "if a nation or someone's aim is opening trade opportunities -> source. However, Ottoman Empire never conquered any place for the purpose of trade, rather it was all about getting other lands and so in all scientific books, you will see "conquered" term.

Ottomans was planing to get more lands for their religion. Even, their financial system was not directly related trading.

On the other hand, there have never been any evidence that the Ottoman plan was getting precious metals such as gold and silver, or diamonds.

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No. Ottomans were not colonial power because they did not colonize outside the continental territories of Europe. They did not get past Aleppo in the South. Netherlands founded and claimed the New Netherlands; Dutch settlers who founded New Amsterdam (New York) and many other cities in New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

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    This answer needs developing. Why should it matter where the colonies or territories are? – Lars Bosteen Jun 1 '18 at 23:21

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