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If Protestantism favored secular power over religious authority, why did the Habsburgs, the Valois, and other secular ruling families hold on to Catholicism? Was it a matter of faith?

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    Devotion can be sincere. Some people believe in their religion. – Mark C. Wallace Dec 3 '17 at 21:43
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    @MarkC.Wallace They even believe in their god. ;) (religion is an exercise of a belief, in the general case of the sincere adherent). – KorvinStarmast Dec 4 '17 at 18:26
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    @TheHonRose It looks like you have an answer, which is better as an answer than as a comment. – KorvinStarmast Dec 4 '17 at 18:27
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    @KorvinStarmast Thanks, I've posted it as an answer, although I see that TomAu's has been accepted. – TheHonRose Dec 5 '17 at 0:23
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One reason was that a number of these Catholic "secular" kingdoms actually derived a lot of their power from the Church. Two of these were Spain and the Holy Roman Empire.

Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain (and some of their descendants) were (in)famous for the Inquisition. They were also known as "their most Catholic majesties." Because Spain had been divided, they derived a lot of their clout from the support of the church, against e.g the Muslim occupiers of Granada.

The Holy Roman Emperor was elected by seven magnates, three of whom were Archbishops. Most of the Holy Roman Emperors came from Austria. Because the Holy Roman Empire was actually larger than their "Austrian" holdings, these Austrian Emperors tended to be very loyal to the Church. And even certain members of the Holy Roman Empire relied heavily on the tithes and rents that could be collected through the Church.

The French kings remained Catholic because it was important to the French people. In fact, Henry of Navarre (King Henri IV), converted from Protestantsim to Catholicism to win them over: "Paris is worth a mass."

Protestantism was the refuge of kings such as those of England, Denmark, and Sweden who wanted to defy the Church. These were the ones for whom the promise of secular power outweighed the prospect of support from the Church.

  • Do you mean "power" or "legitimacy" in terms of what benefit association with the Church offered to these ruling families? (Suggest that in paragraph 2 you spell out a bit more regarding the Reconquista, since the Inquisition had been around for a long time before Ferdinand and Isabella came to their thrones. – KorvinStarmast Dec 4 '17 at 18:28
  • For a king or queen, who sees him- or herself as legitimated by divine mandate, it's a touch sell to become Protestant. Besides, what's in it, i.e. what's the gain, for kings and queens when they become Protestant? – Dohn Joe Sep 20 at 8:09
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A somewhat blunt analysis, but Catholicism was hierarchical and prescriptive, Protestantism more personal and individual - the Bible etc in the vernacular. Kings were appointed by God. To oppose the king was to oppose God Himself - a pretty powerful argument! Cf the English Revolution 1688 when James II tried to claim the Divine Right of Kings'. Who is going to argue with God's chosen, anointed monarch?

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They were Catholic, because their subjects were Romanised at a deep enough level to prefer being Roman Catholic. If you look at where the Roman empire's borders were: Roman Empire borders overlaid on modern

You can see that it very closely mirrors the dividing line between Catholics and Protestants. England could be said to be an exception, but rather it is a special in-between case, because they were more thoroughly de-Romanised by the Anglo-Saxon invasion and on the other hand, Anglicanism is way more like Catholicism with the serial numbers filed off and the King instead of the Pope, than "real" Protestantism, e.g. the Calvinism of the Scots to the north who weren't Romanised.

  • I believe the true distinction is on "how long Christian" rather than "was it part of Roman Empire - but the dividing line is just about the same. – Pieter Geerkens Sep 20 at 1:13
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    Hi Eugene and welcome to History SE. Providing links/sources would improve your answer, especially for the map (unless you made it yourself) as it is good practice to acknowledge other people's work (not sure if this one is public domain). – Lars Bosteen Sep 20 at 1:34
  • The image is from a Quora thread I remembered reading and found again: quora.com/Was-Germany-ever-part-of-the-Roman-Empire. Quora has the same image use policy as Stack, so I presume the guy there posted it in good faith, but the problem is a bit recursive. The idea behind an answer is from a talk I attended once at uni, that made a convincing argument that the Catholic/Protestant divide mirrors the Roman/Barbarian divide, but it was a long time ago and not recorded to the best of my knowledge. – Eugene Sep 20 at 19:05
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During the time of the Reformation there were only a few kingdoms in Catholic Europe except for a few dozen kingdoms in Ireland that aren't usually considered.

They were:

1) Kingdom of Scotland - turned Protestant.

2) Kingdom of England - turned Protestant.

3) (English) Kingdom of Ireland - turned Protestant.

4) Kingdom of France - remained Catholic.

5) Kingdom of Navarre - turned Protestant 1560.

6) Kingdom of Portugal - remained Catholic.

7) Kingdom of Castile and associated kingdoms - remained Catholic.

8) Kingdom of Aragon and associated kingdoms including Sicily, Sicily, and Sardinia - remained Catholic.

9) Kingdom of Norway - turned Protestant.

10) Kingdom of Sweden - turned Protestant.

11) Kingdom of Denmark - turned Protestant.

12) Kingdom of Poland - remained Catholic.

13) Kingdom of Hungary - Had meany Protestants but reconverted to Catholic.

14) Kingdom of Bohemia - already largely (Hussite) Protestant, reconverted to Catholicism after 1620.

Not counting Bohemia the score is seven protestant and 6 Catholic. Furthermore the Habsburg dynasty ruled the Castilian and Aragonese groups of kingdoms and Hungary and Bohemia, making about only four royal dynasties that remained Catholic. Without the Habsburgs most of Europe might have turned protestant instead of merely Britain, Scandinavia, and northern Germany.

Possibly the royal dynasties that remained Catholic did so because they thought that enriching themselves and their nobles by confiscating church lands was stealing.

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    This is completely inaccurate because it ignores the many royal (ie suitable wedding match for a monarch or heir) Imperial principalities of the Holy Roman Empire. Anne of Cleves and Albert Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha were suitable matches for Henry VIII and Victoria because they were in fact of ***royal**** - though not monarchial - blood. The distinction was based on possession of sovereignty, not title. – Pieter Geerkens Sep 20 at 1:11

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