How did Romans do division in their numeral system? Was it by repeated subtraction or did they know anything faster?
7reckon this could be a HNQ if the title is changed to "How did the Romans multiply?" ;)– user13123Nov 3, 2017 at 2:37
16There is a SE site for History of Science and Mathematics, still in beta though– Mario TruccoNov 3, 2017 at 8:19
37There must be a 'divide and conquer' joke in here somewhere... Veni Dividi Vici?– MastNov 3, 2017 at 14:35
4You should look up the etymology of the word "calculus"; it might shed some light on your question. :-)– Eric LippertNov 3, 2017 at 17:42
4They could divide, but only into three parts– Josh RumbutNov 4, 2017 at 6:04
The short answer, according to Turner (1951), is: we don't know. The Romans were not interested in recording theoretical mathematics, so we don't have any written accounts how they did it. It is assumed that whatever they knew was learned from the Greeks, but alas there is no Greek account (from the period) of a pure number division either, only of one dividing an angle (with minutes and seconds).
Turner notes that Friedlein (1869) was still the most comprehensive modern source on the topic, and goes on to reproduce from Friedlein a conjectured Roman division method using the abacus. This is a sort of successive approximation, vaguely similar to short division because it requires knowing only some multiplication tables (only by 10 and 20 in the example below), but there is no evidence the Romans used this method (as opposed to something else).
In the above method, the abacus is divided in two zones, but nevertheless only the remainder is represented on the abacus (the quotient is kept in the operator's head or elsewhere); the zone above the vertical divide multiplies by 5. It should be noted that even this method of representing Roman numbers on the abacus is conjectural.
I don't know if any more recent research has been done in this area.
As a side note (also from Turner), the Roman word for multiplication does imply repeated addition, but nevertheless the Romans likely learned from the Greeks a better method, based on powers of 10 (although unlike the modern method, it started from the largest power), first exemplified in Eutocius' commentary on Archimedes.
- J. Hilton Turner, Roman Elementary Mathematics: the Operations, The Classical Journal, Vol. 47, No. 2 (Nov., 1951), pp. 63-74+106-108
- Gottfried Friedlein, Die Zahlzeichen und das elementare Rechnen der Griechen und Römer und des Christlichen Abendlandes vom 7. bis 13. Jahrhundert (Erlangen, 1869)
The usage of using numerals for division neither existed nor was it necessary. Symbols were only used for recording results.
This also explains why the romans used their system because it is easy for recording. Big numbers first and easy to remember symbols for the different steps of 100,50,10,10,5,1.
The operations itself were calculated by an abacus.
People scoff often for because it seems something for a child, but an abacus is the fastest device for doing calculations, once muscle memory has learned to operate it effectively it is 10-100 times faster than a pocket calculator for addition and subtraction. I am not exaggerating, the first computers were doing contests against people with abaci and often lost.
ADDENDUM: If you had the idea that the romans must have used their system for calculating like we do with arabic numerals, don't feel that you oversaw the obvious, you are not alone. Gary Kasparov, former chess world champion, wrote in an essay
But let us return to mathematics and to ancient Rome. The Roman numeral system discouraged serious calculations. How could the ancient Romans build elaborate structures such as temples, bridges, and aqueducts without precise and elaborate calculations? The most important deficiency of Roman numerals is that they are completely unsuitable even for performing a simple operation like addition, not to mention multiplication, which presents substantial difficulties [...]. In early European universities, algorithms for multiplication and division using Roman numerals were doctoral research topics. It is absolutely impossible to use clumsy Roman numbers in multi-stage calculations. The Roman system had no numeral “zero.” Even the simplest decimal operations with numbers cannot be expressed in Roman numerals. [...] Try to write a multiplication table in Roman numerals. What about fractions and operations with fractions? Despite all these deficiencies, Roman numerals supposedly remained the predominant representation of numbers in European culture until the 14th century. How did the ancient Romans succeed in their calculations and complicated astronomical computations?
Correct, Gary, they did not use roman numerals, they used the abacus. D'oh!
On November 12, 1946 Private Thomas Nathan Wood of the 20th Finance Disbursing Section of General MacArthur's headquarters competed on a electric calculator against Kiyoshi Matsuzaki, a champion operator of the abacus in the Savings Bureau of the Ministry of Postal Administration.. Matsuzaki added 50 numbers of 3-6 digits in 1 minute 15 seconds which means he needed approximately 0.4 seconds for one digit.
You can do addition, subtraction, multiplication and divison with ease, even square root is possible. Any other operation is extremely hard. This also explains why higher mathematics needed such a long time to develop because so powerful the abacus is for basic math, so useless it is for understanding and using powers and exponentials.
Only the adoption of the vastly superior system of Arabic numerals allowed people to finally use numerals itself for mathematics, the Persian Al-Khwarizmi wrote 825 "On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals".
Gregor Reisch, Margarita Philosophica, 1508
In the image you see a contest between abaci math and numeral math. Abaci were finally abandoned and replaced with mental addition/paper addition and slide rules for multiplication and division which was the calculator during the 50s; it also supported higher math (powers, roots, logarithmic and trigonometric functions) in the necessary precision.
11You'd be surprised, calculators aren't as fast as people think. When I was on my game in High School, I could perform divisions and estimate square roots in my head faster than anyone around me could drag out a calculator and punch in all the required keys (and I was only like a "B" student). Often they'd fat finger things too, and I could immediately spot that because I knew roughly what the right answer should be (vs. blindly punching keys).– T.E.D. ♦Nov 3, 2017 at 15:52
3@T.E.D.: Yeah! But try doing rectangular to polar conversions on a slide rule when it is a single button push on the latest (in 1976) electronic calculator. Man! That was a looooong exam, in Electronic Circuits! Nov 3, 2017 at 17:01
10@T.E.D. I feel like it’s misleading to portray that as the calculator being slow. I’m sure you can’t best a (modern) calculator that has already had the numbers entered and the finger on the = key.– KRyanNov 3, 2017 at 21:09
6@KRyan - Completely misses the point. Digging out the calculator, turning it on, and punching in the numbers and operation keys (correctly) is something that had to be done every time we were given something to calculate in the middle of eg: Chemistry class. Why on earth would I sit and not think while all that is going on? To make things "fair" for the calculator?– T.E.D. ♦Nov 4, 2017 at 0:06
3The Latin root of "calculate" and "calculus" is the word for "pebble" - as used in an improvised abacus, if a fancy ready-made one was not available. Nov 5, 2017 at 7:09
I'm not all that sure that Romans had much need to perform complex division that often.
Typcially, they used Abaci for general maths usage, and the Roman numerals were used for simple recording the results at the end of the process.
Wikipedia goes into the symbols and usage - but this tablet allowed fractional counting (the Ө column on the right).
Note, other than the fractional column (useful for Roman measures and money counting - for example, a Roman libra (pound) consisted of 12 uncia (ounces)), all columns have 4 pegs grouped, and 1 lone peg - the Romans would count from 1 to 10 as:
I - II - III - IIII - V - IV - IIV - IIIV - IIIIV - X
instead of the expected written approach we expect now because of the medieval invention of IV and IX shorthand:
I - II - III - IV - V - VI - VII - VIII - IX - X
As you can see, though, division or multiplication would still be impractical using an abacus like this.
9Note: IV and IX are a Medieval invention, not a Roman one. That is why (analog) clocks traditionally still use IIII and VIIII. Nov 3, 2017 at 17:04
3@PieterGeerkens IV and IX are more common on analog clocks at least in my experience (northeast USA); my brother actually managed to get a steep discount on a “defective” watch that had IIII. It actually has both IIII and IX (rather than VIIII), which is done to divide the face in thirds: four digits with only I, four digits with a V, and four digits with an X.– KRyanNov 3, 2017 at 21:07
1@KRyan: Did I say "traditionally"? Yes I did; good. That was on purpose. I cannot be held responsible for uneducated modern watch makers. Nov 3, 2017 at 21:10
4@PieterGeerkens Actually, clockmakers traditionally use IIII for four and IX for nine. I've always heard it explained as IIII providing better visual balance opposite VIII. Do an image search for "cathedral clock face" and you'll see hundreds of examples, with almost none using VIIII. The clock in Florence Cathedral is a notable exception but you can hardly use it as an example of typical design: it's a 24-hour clock with a single hand that rotates anti-clockwise. Nov 5, 2017 at 16:40
1@PieterGeerkens "Did I say "traditionally"? Yes I did; good. That was on purpose. I cannot be held responsible for uneducated modern watch makers." You also said "still," indicating that using those is still common. If you meant to say that modern traditional-style clocks used those, you should've said "That is why traditional analog clocks still...," not "That is why (analog) clocks traditionally still...." Nov 6, 2017 at 13:15
You can find Stephen K Stephenson's video presentation of the technique described by Fizz here. You might like to follow the sequence of videos from the beginning.
I've updated my answer to refer to a previous answer that already summarizes the process. Nov 3, 2017 at 16:56
3This should probably be a comment rather than an answer. Nov 3, 2017 at 22:37
There's a paper on that (Egyptians using division), with an example or two, of 153/9 and 17/3:
Egyptian division is basically Egyptian multiplication in reverse. The divisor is repeatedly doubled to give the dividend.
For example, 153 divided by 9. [...]
The complication with Egyptian division comes with remainders.
For example, 17 divided by 3."
... and without an abacus.
1Interestingly this algorithm is easily implementable in software or digital circuit since doubling is simply a left shift in binary Nov 6, 2017 at 4:37