I accidentally found this in some 15th century painting

in "The Arrest of Christ" in the "Karlsruher Passion"

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from Master of the Karlsruhe Passion (Hans Hirtz?) "The Disrobing of Christ" enter image description here

and after further search in Google

image from https://www.reddit.com/r/ArmsandArmor/comments/bm2wea/medieval_rope_helmet_used_from_the_1200_to_the/
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My question is: how effective are these helmets against attack, such as slash, cut, and pierce, and maybe blunt force especially to range weapons and shrapnel. And: are rope helmets similar in principle to function like a gambeson? And were these helmets actually used historically?

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    Might this video answer your question? – Denis de Bernardy Sep 19 '19 at 4:54
  • @DenisdeBernardy yeah i know, in the reddit link it also show that video, but since this is a helmet and shape it like that, it may have some different effect unlike hanging it like that. and who know the rope material maybe different compare to the rope in the video, also seems like the cut also require high precision there as it was a competition. – Li Jun Sep 19 '19 at 5:01

One of the images in your question seems to be from the metmuseum's website, which explains what it is.

These weren't intended to be used as is. Rather, caps or cervellieres made of padded cloth or rope were worn underneath chainmail coifs. Besides comfort considerations, this allows to absorb some of the shock should you ever receive a blow to the head.

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  • from the painting it look thicker though doesnt seems fit for metal helmet including the (chainmail coif) there which shown thinner. – Li Jun Sep 19 '19 at 5:52
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    @LiJun: if you meant to say that the padded head protection in the image I inserted is thinner than the rope example, it is because it's ridiculously thin compared to what it would have been. – Denis de Bernardy Sep 19 '19 at 5:57
  • no i mean the rope as Cerveliere, judging from the painting by karlsruher passion it doesnt seems like a padded cap, since the distinction thickness between the rope helmet and the metal including the chainmail coif shown in the painting is thinner or shown very different. – Li Jun Sep 19 '19 at 6:05
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    That can be used 'as is'. Not ideal, far from it, but cheap and thus much better than nothing. Not only for shock absorption. Think linothorax or kevlar-vest. Confronted with longsword it probably fails for a direct controlled hit, but glancing blows…? – LаngLаngС Sep 19 '19 at 9:47
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    This is actually a bit confusing: Can you detail what this thing is called, exactly? The Met calls it Cervelière, but isn't that the metal skull-cap, as in the middle of your pic? Isn't the rope thing a type of coif, or cale as in the left part? Or if used as sole skull cap it's then called a Cervelière as well? – LаngLаngС Sep 19 '19 at 13:30

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