Lincoln's election precipitated the secession, but didn't they have enough congressional power to continue things much as they were? It seems in the preceding two decades the slave states had managed well enough extracting concessions from the free states such as the Missouri compromise and the fugitive slave act. Wouldn't it have made more sense to continue as part of the U.S. and ignore the abolitionist sentiment of many in the North?


The fundamental cause of southern secession (and ultimately the Civil War) was the US's inability to solve slavery at the national level.

The Civil War was not fundamentally about "states rights". Asserting a state's right to secede doesn't speak to why the state wants to secede. Steven's citation of reasons in his answer only serve to underline this. When the northern states were threatened by the War of 1812, they considered secession. When South Carolina was threatened by a tariff, they attempted to nullify the law. When a state's self interests come into play, they'll take advantage of whatever political mechanism they can imagine to assert that self interest, up to and including nullification, secession, and war.

The real story is not in the political mechanics but the underlying interest in preserving slavery that forced the South to become so hell bent on their "states rights". If Northern states had seceded over the War of 1812, we wouldn't assert the fundamental cause was a debate over state's rights. Rather we'd say it was their opposition to the War of 1812. The same applies for the South's secession as well. Their interest in preserving slavery drove them to use untested constitutional mechanism and eventually go to war.

And when you consider the South's conundrum it becomes clearer.

White southerners lived in constant, real fear of slavery/black insurrection. They had experienced violence from slaves during Turner's Rebellion. They looked south to the Haitian Revolution and similar rebellions in the sugar colonies and saw little comfort in how those societies were transformed. Maintaining the institutions associated with slavery was a matter of life/death for white southerners. Laws were passed to further and further restrict the activities of slaves and freed blacks and codify racial distinctions. Even if the injustice of the system might be acknowledged by some southerners, the fear that slaves or freed blacks might (perhaps justifiably) seek vengeance was deep.

Even if a southerner thought that ending slavery was the right thing to do (and many did), the way to get there without providing massive disruption to southern society (economic or otherwise) was very hard to see. Aside from what they would have perceived as lost property, you have the question of what do you do with the slaves? If they're freed won't they just take up arms and overthrow southern society? Would the freed blacks compete with poor whites and drag down wages? In every sense, security, agrarian economics, social interactions, slavery and the associated racial class system was at the heart of Southern life and it was apocalyptic to imagine life without it. Lincoln himself points out this fear during his inaugural speech when trying to be conciliatory

Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican Administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered.

Indeed clauses to maintain of the institution of slavery are rife throughout the Confederate constitution:

Article I, Sec 9:

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

Article IV, Sec 2 (1):

The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.

Article IV, Sec 2 (3):

No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.

Article IV, Sec 3 (3)

The Confederate States may acquire new territory... In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government;

This need for security and tight adherence to the institution existed in direct contrast to Northern abolitionist's deep, often religiously founded, moral opposition to slavery from people such as John Brown and others. Many movements sprung up to curtail the expansion of slavery such as the Free Soilers and Republicans.

The national politics prior to the civil war became dominated by the South's attempt to keep slavery going and expanding vs the North's determination to keep it from expanding. Southerners understood that the only way to maintain their power in Congress (and ultimately their sense of security) and to grow economically was to fight for the expansion of slavery. The South would uses the power of the Federal government to protect and maintain slavery. The Fugitive Slave Act along with the Dred Scott decision show that the South is happy to use/laud Federal institutions if it helped them meet their end goal. In fact many feared that these were overreaches of Southern influence into Federal power. To quote Lincoln's House Divided speech:

We shall lie down pleasantly dreaming that the people of Missouri are on the verge of making their State free, and we shall awake to the reality instead, that the Supreme Court has made Illinois a slave State.

Many in the North resented the power that the 3/5ths compromise, the Dred Scott decision, the Fugitive Slave Act, the annexation of Texas, and the Mexican-American War gave to Southern states and argued that the South had an inordinate amount of power. Indeed Lincoln above is close to asserting a "states right" to deny slavery. In addition some Abolitionists themselves considered secession due to their perception that the South had a large amount of power.

Both the sectional conflicts around expanding slavery and the issue of slavery were ultimately irreconcilable. While campaigning Lincoln attacked the South's hold on Federal power through the continued expansion of slavery through warfare, annexation, law and the 3/5ths compromise. After Lincoln was elected, there was already a shooting war in Kansas and John Brown had raided Harpers Ferry in an attempt to incite a massive slave revolt. Lincoln's party was seen by the South as radically anti slavery, and indeed opposition to slavery was the issue that their party was founded on, to quote this history of the Republican party:

The Nebraska Bill passed the house on May 22. The next day about thirty anti-slavery members of the House of Representatives, Whigs and Democrats, held a meeting and discussed the necessity of organizing a new party under the name "Republican,"and they pledged themselves to fight against the extension of slavery.

The South's siege mentality would only reach a fever pitch upon Republican Lincoln's election. With what they perceived as a virulently anti slavery, pro Northern party increasing its influence coupled with and ever increasingly violent political far-left political opposition, the south felt deeply threatened politically, economically, and physically. Virginia's secession ordinance while brief, discusses the "oppression of the Southern slaveholding states"

... the Federal Government having perverted said (costitutional) powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, ubt to the oppression of the Southern slaveholding states.

Also as this blog summarizes Civil War historian James McPherson:

White southerners, he argues, saw the Lincoln administration and the Republican Party as the revolutionaries. The move to secede was a counter-revolution, a conservative effort designed to protect what they had and stem the tide of change sweeping across the nation. All of their resistance, he argues, was aimed at maintaining slavery and their position in society

They tried whatever mechanism they had, citing state's rights and eventually finding themselves in a war. Without doing so, they feared, they would have change forced on them through incited slave rebellion or what they perceived as revolutionary Republicans. Even if the end of slavery wasn't imminent, the loss of the political power that had been protecting the institution felt deeply threatening due to the magnitude of how fundamental slavery was to southern life. So threatening that they were willing to use whatever constitutional mechanism necessary to preserve their political independence and keep slavery going.

Edit in response to Steven's Edits

The issue isn't whether legally the South had anything to fear at the legal level. The issue was that they had managed to use Federal power during the antebellum period to allow the continued spread and protection of slavery. Despite deep fissures, they had managed to continue to dominate and grow political power to protect their slave holding society. The incoming Republicans threatened that as wikipedia puts it

began as coalition of anti-slavery "Conscience Whigs" and Free Soil Democrats opposed to the Kansas-Nebraska Act, submitted to Congress by Stephen Douglas in January 1854.

Also their response to the Nebraska Act

The Nebraska Bill passed the house on May 22. The next day about thirty anti-slavery members of the House of Representatives, Whigs and Democrats, held a meeting and discussed the necessity of organizing a new party under the name "Republican,"and they pledged themselves to fight against the extension of slavery.

Its understandable Lincoln would be fairly conciliatory in his inaugural speech. The south was taking action to secede. He wanted to maintain the Union and preferred a peaceful solution. He also has to worry about the slave holding states that remained in the Union. That doesn't change the platform of his political party, the reason the South found him so threatening politically. Lincoln himself acknowledges how apprehensive the South is to the Republican takeover:

Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican Administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered.

He echoes my assertion of how much upheaval white southerners saw in ending slavery.

Regardless of any political or legal institutions, when 1/3 or more of your population is enslaved, you might worry more about the plans of those enslaved. When someone like John Brown comes knocking at your door to incite a revolution, you do what you have to to baton down the hatches, especially when it seems his incendiary, potentially threatening actions appear to be hailed in many in the North. No law is going to prevent the enslaved from taking back their freedom when given the opportunity.

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    This is without a doubt the single longest answer I've ever seen on a SO site. However, the persistence (and IMHO pernicousnous) of the argument it is countering makes it well worth every word. +1 – T.E.D. Apr 25 '12 at 22:20
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    The fact that the fear that... freed blacks might (perhaps justifiably) seek vengeance was deep" may have been a factor in the Zimmerman case, even 150 years later. – Tom Au Jul 15 '13 at 17:25
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    Great answer. Suggest you edit to change "After Lincoln was elected, there was already..." to "By the time Lincoln was elected, there was already..." That's a very small change; but as written, your answer suggests those events happened after Lincoln's election. Mildly confusing. – JimZipCode Sep 20 '15 at 11:36
  • I agree..top shelf. The Southern and Northern economic systems were completely incompatible with one another. I think the idea of a "slave revolt" is overstated as there wasn't one even during the Civil War. Why there was a Civil War over two competing yet viable economic systems is an interesting question. The only element recorded for posterity was slavery being called a "peculiar institution" and thus "special" to the US South and in its interests. That no nation can survive "half slave half free" was Lincoln's rationale for the Civil War. – Doctor Zhivago Jun 28 '16 at 18:03
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    I disagree about the Southern and Northern economic systems being incompatible. Cotton brought vast wealth into the U.S. (it constituted 3/5 of U.S. exports and arguably was the major support of the early industrial revolution). New York, for instance, made lots of money dealing in cotton. Some links on cotton and the Southern slave economy. (and here) – AlaskaRon Jun 28 '16 at 23:38

I highly recommend Charles Dew's Apostles of Disunion which lets the words of the secession commisioners speak for themselves.

In late 1860 and early 1861, state-appointed commissioners traveled the length and breadth of the slave South carrying a fervent message in pursuit of a clear goal: to persuade the political leadership and the citizenry of the uncommitted slave states to join in the effort to destroy the Union and forge a new Southern nation.

The most common cause those comissioners themselves state is slavery.

the core of their argument—the reason the right of secession had to be invoked and invoked immediately—did not turn on matters of constitutional interpretation or political principle. Over and over again, the commissioners returned to the same point: that Lincoln's election signaled an unequivocal commitment on the part of the North to destroy slavery and that emancipation would plunge the South into a racial nightmare.

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  • Just came over this answer again, and thought anew how compelling it was. Since I couldn't upvote it yet again, I thought I'd try to add some to it. If the added context doesn't help, someone please revert it. – T.E.D. Nov 19 '12 at 19:45

Lincoln's Election:

Lincoln was elected from Northern Votes alone. Combined with Northern monopolies in the other branches of government, this was the warning bell to the South that they no longer had any say in politics at all.


The North was industrial, and the South was agricultural. This meant that the South's exports earned more (though obviously this also meant that the North was more prepared to fight a war). The North didn't like earning less money than the South, so they taxed the South. Anytime a Southerner wanted to export their goods, they had a pay a large tariff.

The Southerners felt they were being treated like colonies with no real say in anything. So they did what they did last time they were in that situation, they seceded.

If you're interested in further reading, Facts the Historians Leave Out is a very good book on the subject.

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  • Also the system of keeping the balance in the senate was worn and old. there had been many near cessions before that overted by only the x compromise. Still it was slavery and the economic model that it depended on which was the driving cause. – rerun Oct 26 '11 at 4:45
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    The germ of a +1 argument is here. However, it should be pointed out that the election was a three way race. Had the opposition not been divided, the election results may have been different. Not real sure where you got the export tarriff thing though. Those are unconstitutional. Why the South cared so much about their collective political power was slavery, not some dull stuff about taxes. They were worried about their ability to stop the rest of the country from being able to outlaw slavery. That's why there was a huge stink every time a new state was added. – T.E.D. Apr 25 '12 at 22:28

In general, I agree with the (excellent) answer by Doug T. that the failure to resolve the issue of slavery was the major issue leading up to secession. With the election of Lincoln and the Republicans, many of whom had used anti-slavery rhetoric, the Deep South in particular felt that it no longer could count on its pro-slavery perspective being adequately represented at the federal level. We can read this directly in the official justification for secession in the first state to secede, South Carolina:

Those [non-slaveholding] States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery.... They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. ...[A]ll the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. ...

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

Obviously some of this is likely rhetorical exaggeration, given that the abolitionist cause was not yet as strong as implied here, but these are the actual words of justification given by the first state to secede.

However, I'd also like to address the issue of "states' rights" brought up in another answer. I actually agree that this issue played a strong role in secession, though not in the manner that many Southern apologists claim. It wasn't just that the Southern states decided to assert their individual rights of self-determination. They also justified this on the basis of previous actions by Northern states, specifically regarding the Fugitive Slave Clause of the Constitution, and the failure of the Northern states to adhere to it and its enacting laws from 1793 and 1850. Again, from the South Carolina declaration:

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. ...

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

To summarize, the Northern states had already been disregarding explicit Constitutional obligations and federal laws, justifying their nullification of federal law by saying that -- as states -- they could refuse to enforce immoral laws. Although such "states' rights" actions on behalf of Northern states were repeatedly overturned by federal laws and court cases (perhaps most recently in Ableman v. Booth (1859)), the Northern states kept ignoring the Constitution in this case, which the Southern states then used as justification for secession. The failure of enforcement for the Fugitive Slave Clause is mentioned repeatedly in many secession documents among the Southern states.

This directly answers the part of the question about why some states felt the Fugitive Slave Acts weren't enough, since often they were explicitly disregarded despite the instructions of the federal government.

In effect, South Carolina (and other states) actually cite the failure of the federal government to deny states' rights in this case as proof that all states were no longer adhering to the Constitution, thereby justifying a choice to secede.

Finally, and perhaps more important regarding the "states' rights" argument, we tend to forget that the Southern states did not secede en masse. They each held individual votes, and there were two primary "waves" of secession, with the "Deep South" South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, George, Louisiana, and Texas choosing to secede between December 20, 1860 and February 1, 1861. The remaining states (Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee) did not begin to secede until mid-April of 1861.

The reason why this is important in determining cause for secession is that these two "waves" happened for different reasons. The first wave effectively justified unilateral secession after the 1860 election and even before Lincoln took office. The second wave was not undertaken until after Lincoln called for an invasion of the South, an action that many (both Southerners and Northerners) initially called into question as potentially unconstitutional. (Lincoln's need to quell opposition to invasion ultimately led to his controversial suspension of habeas corpus, among other legally questionable actions.) Virginia, the first of the second wave of secession, initially voted down secession repeatedly during its deliberations, instead seeking to continue to work within the federal government to resolve its issues. It was only after the confrontation at Fort Sumter and Lincoln's subsequent call for 75,000 volunteers to invade the South that Virginia (and other border states) refused to send troops to invade other states and subsequently voted to secede.

This second wave of secession is a much stronger candidate for justifying the role of "states' rights" in the argument over cause. The border states largely viewed invasion as illegal and unconstitutional, and it was this matter (rather than slavery alone) that edged them toward secession instead of remaining within the union.

A rather intriguing (and first-hand) account of this position comes from Charles Francis Adams, the great-grandson of John Adams and grandson of John Quincy Adams. Charles Adams, a Northerner with an obvious impeccable Yankee pedigee, had not only fought in the Civil War but had even led a regiment of black Union soldiers. He later became president of the American Historical Association. It was during his tenure in 1902 that he wrote (and gave) an oration on why Robert E. Lee deserved a statue in Washington. (This whole oration is fascinating as a historical document from a Civil War veteran around 1900.)

Anyhow, Adams traces the detailed history of the events in the various waves of secession, and he points out the critical role Virginia's decision to not secede after Texas had:

The outlook was dark indeed; and, amid the fast gathering gloom, all eyes, all thoughts, turned to Virginia. She represented what were known as the Border States, her action it was felt would largely influence, and might control, theirs.... All depended on Virginia. This is now forgotten; none the less, it is history.

Adams goes on to describe the very day the news from Virginia's first vote was announced (February 4th), and when they voted to stay:

Virginia, speaking against secession, had emitted no uncertain sound. It was as if a weight had been taken off the mind of everyone. The tide seemed turned at last. For myself, I remember my feelings were too deep to find expression in words or sound. Something stuck in my throat.

Adams goes on to be very clear about the view most held about Virginia at that time:

Thus, be it always remembered, Virginia did not take its place in the secession movement because of the election of an anti-slavery president. It did not raise its hand against the national government from mere love of any peculiar institution, or a wish to protect and to perpetuate it. It refused to be precipitated into a civil convulsion; and its refusal was of vital moment. The ground of Virginia's final action was of wholly another nature, and of a nature far more creditable. Virginia, as I have said, made State Sovereignty an article, -- a cardinal article, -- of its political creed. So, logically and consistently, it took the position that, though it might be unwise for a State to secede, a State which did secede could not, and should not be coerced.

To us now this position seems worse than illogical; it is impossible. So events proved it.... So, now, the issue shifted. It became a question, not of slavery or of the wisdom, or even the expediency, of secession, but of the right of the National Government to coerce a Sovereign State. This at the time was well understood.

I think Adams perhaps goes a little far here, but he makes an important distinction. The "second wave" of secessions were made by states which had preferred to stay within the federal government and to continue dialogue on the issue, but in 1861 there still was a view of "patriotism" toward individual states. (Adams goes on to discuss how Lee's patriotism was clearly forced into a dilemma between his state and his country.) When Lincoln proposed to invade, he was threatening the rights of those states, and thus Virginia and several other states voted to leave the Union. (Virginia does not mention slavery at all in its declaration of secession other than noting the the Federal government had "perverted" its powers "to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding states"; Arkansas explicitly mentioned Lincoln's marshalling of troops to wage war against the seceded states as a cause.)

I don't want to give the wrong impression: slavery was still the overarching reason why this whole situation happened, and the whole reason Virginia was even debating secession was slavery. But the immediate actions that pushed the border states into secession were arguably over concern for states' rights under the threat of war and specifically federal invasion.

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    In my mind post-war sources (like the Adams quote), when there was incentive to try to minimize culpability, are far inferior in this matter to pre-war sources (eg: contemporaneous material from Virginia's own succession convention), which are nearly unanimous that slavery was the chief issue. Its been long enough that one would hope we can dispense with the need to soothe the egos of the guilty. – T.E.D. Jun 28 '16 at 19:00
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    @T.E.D.: Your link actually corroborates: slavery was the chief issue (which I said repeatedly), but there was a gap of a couple months between the two waves of secession. Virginia debated the issue for months but pushed toward secession when hostilities began and it was called to provide troops to invade other states. Also, I'm really not sure what your last comment is about "soothing egos of the guilty" - Who is guilty? Whose egos? Slavery is deplorable and civil war is a nasty business all around, but that doesn't mean history isn't complex enough that events can't have multiple causes. – Athanasius Jul 27 '16 at 19:35

The issues that ultimately led to the secession of the southern states had been brewing for a considerable amount of time. While most people (especially northerners) claimed the Civil War was all about ending slavery, the reasons that the south seceded actually had very little to do with that issue. In fact, the South had won a couple of major decisions that supported slavery, such as the Dred Scott decision in 1857 and the Fugitive Slave Law in 1850.

Perhaps the biggest issue that truly led to the secession was the debate over States' Rights. Going as far back as 1798, there had been an ongoing debate over whether or not the Federal government had the right to pass laws that contradicted laws already in place at the State level. While many people claim that the South was attempting to break up the Union, it was more accurately a case of them attempting to stand up for themselves and declare that the laws passed within a State had superiority. In fact, the preamble to the Confederate States Constitution starts with "We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its sovereign and independent character..."

In 1828 Congress passed tariffs that benefited trade in the northern states. These tariffs ended up being detrimental to the Southern states that relied heavily on the ability to export their agricultural goods. In 1832, the state of South Carolina passed a state law that declared these tariffs to be invalid within the state of South Carolina. Persident Andrew Jackson reacted by sending a naval flotilla as well as the threat of federal troops to enforce the tariffs in South Carolina. This was one of the first major steps in breaking down the relationships between the North and the South. Over the next couple of decades, the South continued to suffer financially while the North benefitted, and eventually the Southern states decided they had put up with it long enough. This is why even now most Southerners refer to the American Civil War as the "War Between the States".

Interestingly enough, while it was the South that actually seceded, it was the northern states who had first threatened it. The New England states were opposed to the War of 1812, and at the Hartford Convention had actually discussed seceding themselves. Even then it was more about doing what was best for the individual states!

EDIT: In response to Doug T's impassioned argument that the war was about slavery.

It is a mistake to assume that Lincoln was "virulently anti-slavery". In fact, in his inaugural address he tried to reassure Southerners by declaring that he had no desire to interfere with slavery where it already existed. Furthermore, prior to his election, Lincoln took a very similar position when he ran for the US Senate. In his acceptance speech he stated "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free." He then went on to argue that "slavery in the United States would eventually have to end everywhere or become legal everywhere in order for the nation to survive" (emphasis added). While Lincoln as an individual did not condone or approve of slavery, he also did not take an open stance against slavery.

In all fairness, I will concede that slavery was indeed a contributing factor as a reason for the Southern states seceding, and in fairness, I never meant to imply that it was not. While it was true that the institution of slavery had been supported by the Supreme Court, public opinion regarding slavery, particularly in the North, was turning against it. It was becoming increasingly apparent that the ability to expand slavery into new states as they joined the Union was going to be difficult, if not impossible. As a result, they would eventually find themselves isolated away in a country that was growing under the influence of a government that did not support their beliefs.

Once Lincoln was elected, the South decided that their voice was not going to be heard in American politics, so they decided to form their own government based on the principles that they felt benefited them the most. This meant they would be free from unfair tariffs, would have the right to decide on laws that were deemed appropriate for each state, and would permit them to continue to own their slaves as well as possibly expanding the institution by encouraging new states that were developed on the continent to join the Confederacy instead of the Union.

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    Your answer misses how irreconcilably entrenched pro/anti slavery politics had become in the decades up to the war. I mean there was an open, shooting war in Kansas over the issue and [John Brown](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist) didn't take over Harper's Ferry over nothing. There were understandable reasons the South deeply feared the messy and potentially dangerous (from their POV) "solutions" to slavery. So of course they will cite "states rights" to prevent reform. – Doug T. Oct 27 '11 at 1:44
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    I think you over-estimate the relevance of slavery in causing the states to secede. As I pointed out, the Southern states had the Supreme Court on their side, which is why abolitionists like John Brown were captured by Federal troops and prosecuted. Slavery never even became an issue tied to the war until after Lincoln gave his Gettysburg Address. Part of the reason it was written that way was in the hopes of enciting slave uprisings to help the North win the war. – Steven Drennon Oct 27 '11 at 2:26
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    Steven, while much of what you've written is factually correct, you have made the historical fallacy of, as Doug put it, "underestimating how threatening the lose of slavery was to the South." The real issue stems back to the early days of confederacy before a constitution was formed following the Revolutionary War. The issue here is taxation. Following South Carolina's coup with the Nullification Act during the early 1800s that dealt directly with taxation and tariffs. The issue here was taxation on the amount of property owned, including slaves. So yes, the war was about slavery... – Sorcerer Blob Oct 27 '11 at 4:18
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    There's no emotion being argued on my account, just facts. You quote a lot of facts while willfully omitting or ignoring other ones. You are making the facts fit your conclusion, much like Doug, once again committing a fallacy. Good history is done by making the conclusion fit the facts. End of the day, the historiography on this is all over the place on both sides of the fence. – Sorcerer Blob Oct 27 '11 at 4:54
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    Not minusing this, because it is an actual arugment a lot of folks make. But it is wrong. "States Rights" is like "Judicial Activisim": nobody gives a crap about it unless it helps them with what they really want. – T.E.D. Apr 25 '12 at 22:35

The reasons for the war is in Lincoln's first inaugural address. Decades prior to war, Northern politicians made it clear that the South was not going to be included in westward expansion. This idea put limits on southern political power. Lincoln said he had no issue with southern slavery where it existed. He just didn't want it going west. The south knew the country was moving westward and the day would come their political power would be over forever. This imbalance of political power was a major southern grievance. Lincoln also had a big problem after secession in the enforcement of the revenue laws. The south also opposed paying the lion share of the federal tariff that mostly benefited northern interest. The south was not going to stay in a union where they would never ever again be in power on one end and still pay unfair tariff rates on the other. Politics and economics was a major imputus for the war.

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