I tried to find it before asking, but I couldn't. A few years ago, I read in a Wikipedia article, and saw photos of, what apparently was a fully automatic anti-aircraft cannon which, if I didn't get everything confused, actually was able to detect incoming attacks, calculate where to aim the gun, and fire.

However, this feels like something I barely expect to exist today, so could it really be that with their relatively primitive computers and analogue systems were able to perform this highly complicated task automatically? With no humans needing to be there at all? Or did they have to do the actual firing still?

If this is real, how exactly did they detect where the aircrafts were on the sky and determined their direction and speed as to determine where to point the cannon?

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    Could this be confusion around the term "Autocannon". An "automatic" weapon is one that fires as long as you hold the trigger down, not one that aims itself. Obviously there were lots of the former in WWII. – Gort the Robot Mar 5 '20 at 23:45
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    Radar fire control for 5 inch US navy turrets was a thing by the end of WWII. That caused the turrets to auto track at least. – Jon Custer Mar 5 '20 at 23:50
  • Seems like I read that aircraft carrier AA was aimed via a mechanical (analog) "computer". But of course someone had to input the parameters. – T.E.D. Mar 6 '20 at 0:21
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    “This feels like something I’d barely expect to exist today...” - I would expect the complete opposite; that it’d be unlikely for a manual one to be present today. As a notable example, the PATRIOT missile system, which has a computer failure: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot – Tim Mar 6 '20 at 8:14
  • Only slightly related, but still: There was an autopilot system for American B-17 bombers in use during WWII, which in combination with the Norden bombsight automatically steered the plane during the bomb drop. It did however never reach the expected accuracy under combat conditions. – pat3d3r Mar 6 '20 at 12:51

You should better explain what you mean by "fully automatic". Usually a weapon is called "fully automatic" if it loads and shoots with bursts (a machine gun, for example). Unlike semi-automatic which only loads automatically, like an automatic pistol. Such fully automatic antiaircraft guns of course existed in WW II, and even in WW I. (First specialized antiaircraft weapons were machine guns).

But apparently you mean automatic aiming rather than shooting. This was performed by a special device which is called antiaircraft director which slowly evolved, beginnng from WW I, with most important development happening exactly during WW II. It is necessary because in AA artillery there is no enough time to compute the gun direction "by hand".

At the time of WW II this was an analog computer (rather than digital). The complexity and sophistication varied. But it performed all necessary functions, except detection of the targets.

All was connected in one system: a distance and direction measuring device, computer and the gun which was aimed by an electric motor connected with this computer. The new ingredient, radar (for detection and aiming, usually separate radars) were added in the end of WW II, and became widespread immediately after.

With the advent of digital computer, the system very much improved, but the principle remains the same: a radar detects an airplane, then coordinates are measured by another radar, or by an optical device, then the data is processed by a computer, which computes the aiming data and sends them to the gun by wire. A system of detection whether the aircraft is an enemy aircraft or a friendly one is also included. And much more. (Computer takes into account the wind, and how it varies with altitude, air temperature and pressure, propelling charge temperature, wear of the barrel, etc. All this is necessary to have a good chance to hit a fast moving airplane.) All this existed at the time of WW II, or was developed during that war. A typical antiaircraft projectile had initial velocity less than 1000 m/sec. If an airplane flies 150 m/sec at a distance of few kilometers, you imagine how difficult it is to compute the aiming of the gun. If it flies closer to you, it is even more difficult.

In night time the role of direction finding radar was played by a search light which was coupled to the computer. The operators were expected to catch the airplane with the light beam, and follow it. The data were processed with computer and the result sent to the gun directing motors by wire. Two coupled search lights gave you a good range finding, by solving a triangle on the computer.

But it is still not "fully automatic" in the sense that you describe: the DECISION to shoot is usually made by a human:-) And in most cases the target selection, if there are several targets around.

Figure 7 in this page shows an analog antiaircraft director of the type used in WW II next to the gun that it controls. By the way the gun shown in the picture is not automatic: it was loaded manually but directed automatically. The big horizontal tube on top is the optical range finder. The big box is occupied by the analog computer. The device is operated by 3 people: one continuously measures the range, two others altitude and azimuth. All these functions were automatized with the advent of aiming radar which can do this automatically. This page (scroll down to second photo) shows a rare photo of Soviet-made director ПУАЗО-3 of 1939, it has no range finder. Here is a German one.

  • I recommend to learn from the man himself : Flak Training for Pilots in WW 2 – Euphoric Mar 6 '20 at 8:53
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    @Euphiric: good primary source. Let me add that I was also trained as an officer (AA battery commander) of Soviet army in 1970s. So I was on the other side, opposite to the pilots:-) – Alex Mar 6 '20 at 12:45

this feels like something I barely expect to exist today

In 1957, the Soviet Union introduced the ZSU-23-4. Its guns were radar-guided. The operator would select a target, the radar would track the target and the control system would decide when to fire.

In 1980, the US Navy introduced the Phalanx close-in weapons system into service. It has a fully autonomous mode, where it'll fire without a human in the loop. The Palanx is intended to shoot down antiship missiles, which often fly at very low altitudes, so you only have a few seconds from detection to impact. This short timeframe makes it desirable to eliminate human slowness from the decision loop.

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    Friend who worked servicing phalanx CIWS reported that they had to de-tune the system. The original would blow up the incoming missile, and then before the debris had a chance to fall into the ocean, the phalanx would identify the largest fragment of debris and begin firing at that, then the next largest - all before the debris could fall. He also reported that one day while servicing the phalanx, someone forgot to apply the autolock - as he walked in front of the device, the cannon barrel tracked him. That's likely to ruin some pants. – Mark C. Wallace Mar 6 '20 at 13:16

This has multiple components:

  • mechanical manipulation of the round's fuze there the round's fusing (explosion height) was done mechanically by a device in the gun, so the gun crew only had to feed the rounds
  • continous measuring of the target's speed, course and height in the director and from that calculation of the targets estimated position at the future time where the round can be in about the same position. The gun's (guns) positions decide their individual angels. The director computer must compensate for ambient temperature (affects velocity) wind speed and direction (affect drift.)
  • remote control of guns from the director
  • radar later
  • from 1944: the proximity fuze
  • the director controlled the gun's Machine Fuze Setter

The proximity fuze and its working and design was a heavily guarded secret while for example the british QF(=Quick Firing) 3.7" gun in their fixed version and with the later electrically selectable fusing allowed full remote-controlled firing of the gun.

Electrically selectable fusing = the Machine Fuse Setter was remotely controlled from the director.

  • The proximity fuse in WW2 was an amazing piece of tech - a tiny radar set, including glass thermionic valves and battery, that could survive being fired out of a cannon. – pjc50 Mar 6 '20 at 11:05
  • The first shoot down of a Japanese plane with the VT radar fuse was January 1943. Head of the effort: Deke Parsons (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sterling_Parsons) who went on to head the fusing/firing for the Manhattan project and was mission commander on the Enola Gay. Talk about impact... – Jon Custer Mar 6 '20 at 18:55

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