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I read some interesting DNA research recently showing that vikings left little or no DNA traces in the population of present day UK but Saxons on the other hand left a huge imprint.

It amazes me that so many could have moved across to England. It would surely involve massive immigration. They must have had large ships. Was Saxony very much overpopulated to have so many people able to move across the sea?

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  • I believe the British History Podcast covers this . From memory, we're not sure they did. Records of the period aren't very reliable. I believe that BHP also covers the DNA study, but I don't remember which episode. – Mark C. Wallace Jul 19 at 22:57
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    Not a bad question, but do rephrase it. You'll get lots of downvotes or close votes as it is right now. – Jos Jul 20 at 2:26
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    It might help if you cited the research - very difficult to apply historical analysis to "I read some interesting DNA research ".... was it sciencenordic? – Mark C. Wallace Jul 21 at 11:07
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    @MarkC.Wallace is quite correct; sources and background to this would be very helpful. – gktscrk Jul 22 at 8:56
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To begin with, the Saxons were instrumental in the collapse of the British based Roman empire.

They entered an alliance with fellow Germanic peoples, such as Scots/Caledonians. Irish/Hibernians, and Franks.

And in 367ad, they collapsed the British based Roman empire.

Though the Romans did rescue the situation temporarily, they would only partially rescue the situation, before surrendering in 410ad.

Great conspiracy

The conspiracy

In the winter of 367, the Roman garrison on Hadrian's Wall rebelled, and allowed Picts from Caledonia to enter Britannia. Simultaneously, Attacotti, the Scotti from Hibernia, and Saxons from Germania landed in what might have been coordinated and pre-arranged[citation needed] waves on the island's mid-western and southeastern borders, respectively. Franks and Saxons also landed in northern Gaul.

These warbands managed to overwhelm nearly all of the loyal Roman outposts and settlements. The entire western and northern areas of Britannia were overwhelmed, the cities sacked and the civilian Romano-British murdered, raped, or enslaved

Secondly, all Saxons are, is Germanics.

Germanics pretty much make up for the entire "white race".

The Saxons in Germany were described by the Romans as a collection of Germanic tribes.

Old Saxony

Old Saxony

(English translation) "There follow in order the Reudignians, and Aviones, and Angles, and Varinians, and Eudoses, and Suardones and Nuithones; all defended by rivers or forests. Nor in one of these nations does aught remarkable occur, only that they universally join in the worship of Herthum (Nerthus); that is to say, the Mother Earth." —Tacitus, Germania, 40, translated 1877 by Church and Brodribb.2

Thirdly.

The new Saxon nation in the Southern part of England was Saxon in name only.

It also comprised of Anglos and Jutes, as Anglos and Jutes were every bit as much a part of the Saxon army, which was a collection of Germanic tribes.

Saxons, Anglos, Jutes, Frisians

Saxons

In contrast, the British "Saxons", today referred to in English as Anglo-Saxons, became a single nation bringing together Germanic peoples (Frisian, Jutish, Angle)

Fourth

Jutes are Nordic

Jutes are Nordic

Jutes

The Jutes (/dʒuːts/), Iuti, or Iutæ (Danish: Jyde, Old English: Ēotas) were a Germanic people.1 According to Bede,2 the Jutes were one of the three most powerful Germanic peoples of their time in the Nordic Iron Age,3

The word Nordic refers to Scandinavia

Scandinavia

Scandinavia

Iron Age Scandinavia (or Nordic Iron Age) refers to the Iron Age, as it unfolded in Scandinavia.

And Angles were Danish. Click on the link and look at the map to see where Anglesy was.

Angles

Angles

The Angles (Old English: Ængle, Engle; Latin: Angli; German: Angeln) were one of the main Germanic peoples1 who settled in Great Britain in the post-Roman period.

Fifth.

The Angles already owned Denmark. The Jutes already owned Norway. However as this was "old Saxony" the Saxons back then had no royal houses of their own, and were used as an army with the promise of establishing Saxon royal houses in England. Therefore, most of the Norse-men, were Saxons, as opposed to Anglos, and Jutes.

Sixth.

The vikings left a huge imprint on England, when they removed the last Saxon kings from the throne, before crowning their own, in 1066.

William the conqueror

Descended from Rollo the viking

William I[a] (c. 10281 – 9 September 1087), usually known as William the Conqueror and sometimes William the Bastard,[2][b] was the first Norman King of England, reigning from 1066 until his death in 1087. He was a descendant of Rollo and was Duke of Normandy from 1035 onward. His hold was secure on Normandy by 1060, following a long struggle to establish his throne, and he launched the Norman conquest of England six years later.

And who was it the Normans removed? Well, they removed the Saxons, and dethroned them, and reduced them to citizens, just like they had been in Germania.

The last king of the anglo-saxons was Alfred the Great

Alfred the great

Last king of the Saxons

(848/849 – 26 October 899) was King of Wessex from 871 to c.  886 and King of the Anglo-Saxons from c.  886 to 899.

The anglo-saxon kings were replaced by kings with a more Danish line-age

Cnut the great

First king of England

Cnut the Great (/kəˈnjuːt/;4 Old English: Cnut cyning; Old Norse: Knútr inn ríki;[b] died 12 November 1035), also known as Canute, was king of Denmark, England and Norway; together often referred to as the North Sea Empire.

North sea empire

Therefore, the makers of this television documentary are missing crucial points. You cannot differentiate between Saxon DNA and viking DNA, as many Vikings were Saxons.

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  • @Agent Orange I am renderring it as copied and pasted from wikipedia. Therefore. If there is an error in the wording, i did not even notice. – Steven Ian Gall Aug 9 at 9:01
  • @Agent Orange Thanks for pointing it out – Steven Ian Gall Aug 9 at 9:03

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