Timeline for Are there any tanks with the gun and autoloader outside the main turret?
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| Dec 12, 2020 at 19:05 | comment | added | Schwern | If a thing is designed to fulfill the tank role, it's a tank. As the Leopard 1 illustrates, survivability is not limited to armor. Survivability can mean you get the other tank before they get you. Or it can mean you're hard to spot. Or it can be a bit of a fantasy. A thing does not stop being a tank if someone makes a bigger gun. Nor if their theory of combat turns out to be wrong. Interwar tank designs like the Soviet BT tanks were all of the above; still tanks, but outdated. M8 AGS and M551 Sheridan, both with paper thin armor; tanks designed to fill the tank role where other tanks cannot. | |
| Dec 12, 2020 at 14:49 | comment | added | R Leonard | Guess there were a lot of tracked things made by the Soviets which everyone thought were tanks, but since they lacked survivability when thrust into the breach, they obviously were not. Actually, survivability in tanks is relative, all it takes is one good shot with the right weapon and that is the end of the game. | |
| Dec 11, 2020 at 20:43 | comment | added | Schwern | The tank role requires firepower, mobility, and survivability. The M50 lacks survivability. Its called in to support the infantry from a safe position, or it shoots and it scoots; the crew has to expose themselves to reload, it cannot hold a position. | |
| Dec 11, 2020 at 20:26 | comment | added | Schwern | I was kidding, the OP was vague. But since we're here :goggles push: it's a self-propelled gun. Tank is a role, not a set of attributes. For example, Merkava and M2 Bradley both have tracks, turret, gun, and carry troops; Merkava is a tank, M2 is an IFV. Maybe it needs a big gun? M109 howitzer: tracks, turret, big gun, no troops; self-propelled artillery. Maybe it's the turret? Stridsvagn 103: tracks, no turret; tank. Maybe it's heavy armor? Leopard 1: thin armor; tank. Tracks aren't even necessary, but wheeled vehicles have trouble matching their cross-country performance. | |
| Dec 11, 2020 at 8:48 | comment | added | R Leonard | Your opinion, of course. Let's see . . . tracks, check; crew rides & fights from inside, check; gun or guns for the purpose of poking serious holes in some other guys stuff, check; not an APC, check. A tank. Certainly small, but the size had to do with the purpose of getting on to beaches quickly. Unlike all the tracked vehicles shown so far, the M-50 was used in combat. | |
| Dec 10, 2020 at 18:58 | comment | added | Schwern | <Janet>Not a tank.</Janet>. ;) | |
| Dec 10, 2020 at 17:55 | history | edited | R Leonard | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 10, 2020 at 17:38 | history | answered | R Leonard | CC BY-SA 4.0 |