Timeline for Did anyone interweave blue and red threads in order to give the illusion of purple cloth before purple dye became cheap?
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| Mar 19, 2022 at 18:13 | history | bounty ended | MCW♦ | ||
| Mar 15, 2022 at 17:28 | history | edited | Jamie L. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 15, 2022 at 17:14 | comment | added | Tristan | sorry, I managed to miss that bit | |
| Mar 15, 2022 at 17:13 | comment | added | Jamie L. | @Tristan I did talk about shot-silk, it’s the first theoretical option I mentioned in my second edit. | |
| Mar 15, 2022 at 17:10 | comment | added | Tristan | take a look at fabric of on colour "shot with" another. Blue cloth shot with red or red shot with blue frequently looks purple. The problem is that the apparent colour varies according to the angle you look at the cloth, and so whilst it can get you something recognisably purple, it will be easily distinguishable from cloth dyed purple | |
| Mar 15, 2022 at 4:12 | history | edited | Jamie L. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 15, 2022 at 4:03 | history | edited | Jamie L. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 14, 2022 at 11:24 | comment | added | LаngLаngС | BTW, your recent comment should go into A via an edit in expanded form! The "noone knew any real blue" angle to be read on this page needs balance from your perspective; or the basic 'fiddle tinker to get there' is of utmost importance & validity (not only for this)! Suggestion: Also expand on the content & ref of that video (I usually follow links, but avoid any videos. Preferably exchange that for quote from book with screenshot/images, otherwise make that video (YT deletes a lot, links rot, etc) more accessible (summary, screencaps, title, date, perhaps timestamp etc). | |
| Mar 14, 2022 at 11:18 | comment | added | LаngLаngС | Contesting that conclusion: Where, were, there, these, laws? Hiberno-Vikings in Dublin care for them? There & then purple was for a time all the rage. Or China. Eg Orchill and woad/madder give very good direct dyes (my guess for 'reason': cheaper to the goal & better than interweaving). Laws prohibited murex-purple (supreme shine & lustre & price), so weaving could be the alternative: simulate that prestige in fair distance, but have plausible deniability on first close glance… Anyway, while accept your reasoning, the real Q is did anyone, and As here speculate on 'reasons prolly no'. | |
| Mar 13, 2022 at 20:43 | comment | added | Jamie L. | @LangLangC I think part of the reason my answer isn’t working well is because this question seems to assume preindustrial folks DID NOT KNOW the most basic of weaving principles, like blue and red threads can look like purple if you “just” fiddle with the weave patterns a bit, or that you can “just” experiment with dyes for the right color, when the REAL reason they didn’t do it was because of sumptuary laws, as mentioned by others. | |
| Mar 13, 2022 at 11:16 | history | edited | LаngLаngС | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 13, 2022 at 10:05 | comment | added | LаngLаngС | This is giveing me a wrong impression (though I notice the "not always") with "wouldn't work". Of course it 'does work', with caveats, as I quote from a textile book: "These two examples indicate that numerous purple colors can be produced from only two colors (red and blue)". So, please increase precision by quoting from reputable sources to prove your until now theoretical point, that seems partially wrong to me. | |
| Mar 13, 2022 at 2:28 | history | edited | Jamie L. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 13, 2022 at 1:48 | comment | added | Jamie L. | This video has a pretty good visual explanation as to why weaving blue/red threads wouldn't work completely. It's basically the woven equivalent of cross-hatching. Also, you wouldn't see the warp for most weaves since it's a structural part of the cloth. youtu.be/vcBwXLazn6s | |
| Mar 12, 2022 at 17:23 | comment | added | Spencer | I dont see anything weaving all blue for warp and all red for weft (or vice versa). | |
| Mar 12, 2022 at 8:19 | history | edited | KillingTime | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 12, 2022 at 7:48 | history | edited | Jamie L. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| S Mar 12, 2022 at 7:37 | history | answered | Jamie L. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |