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It is generally seen as a given that the human population worldwide has increased everywhere since the end of the second World War.

There are very good reasons for this, so you can imagine my surprise finding out that the island of Ireland had a population of 8,175,124 in 1841. This of course was before the Great Irish Famine, that roughly halved the population through death and emigration. The population would never recover, having reached 6.66 million in 2016. (To be clear, the data both times includes what today is "Northern Ireland").

Are there any other examples of large pieces of land whose population was higher at any point in history before 1950 than it is now? If you know of more than one example, please include them all.

Criteria:

  1. The geographies in question must be at least 20,000 km² in size.
  2. They must have had a population of at least 500,000 people back then. If the numbers are not certain, it must historically be plausible to have had this population.
  3. It must either have been an administrative unit in some way (Duchies and similar are fair game) or a geographical unit (Like the Island of New Guinea, the Balkans, or Manchuria); or is one of them right now.

Why the criteria: Since the question arose in the comments: (Rule 1) to avoid depopulated cities or similar as answers, which there are plenty in history. (Rule 2) to have a certain significance of the depopulation. (Rule 3) to not draw arbitrary boundaries as to answer the question. (Rule "4", the cutoff at 1950) because quite a few countries experienced a population loss in recent years (e.g. Russia, Japan, Croatia, Poland, Syria). This is a trend that will only get more common in the developed world in the years to come and therefore is not particularly noteworthy. Conversely, not having a larger population now than at the end of WW2 is very unusual, as the world population has tripled since then, mainly due to a post-war baby boom and a significantly longer life expectancy in close to all regions. Also, sustaining a given population in an area has become easier through advances in agricultural techniques and global supply.

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Overview

Roll-up wiki digest of answers. All answers listed are taken from (non-wiki) answers below. If you want to read details on any one answer, look for it in its own detailed answer.

Please add any new qualifying areas from positively-voted answers to this list.

Latvia (65,000 km²)

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Went from about 1.95 million in 1935 up to 2.7 million in 1989 back down to about 1.90 million in 2020.

Sakhalin Island (72,000 km²)

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Went from about 575,000 during WWII to about 500,000 in 2010.

West Virginia (62,000 km²)

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Went from a hair over 2 million people in 1950 to around 1.8 million since 1960.

East Germany (108,000 km²)

Went from about 18.5 million in 1950 to about 14 to 14.5 million in 2015.

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Bulgaria (110,000 km²)

Went from a bit over 7 million in 1949 to a hair under 7 million in 2019.

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The population of Latvia today is estimated at 1.9m, slightly below the 1.95m census population of 1935 and substantially below an estimated pre-WWI population of around 2.5m in 1914. It peaked at a high of around 2.7m in 1989 and has been falling steadily since (WP, citing the Latvian statistical bureau). The 1914 figure is before independence from the Russian Empire and may reflect a slightly different set of borders. The 1935 figure is calculated on contemporary borders, though there was a small realignment in 1944 which ceded a town and its hinterland to Russia, where it remains under the modern boundaries. The boundaries thus aren't exactly comparable to today.

Many Baltic and Eastern European states show a similar pattern, but none quite match your 1950 cut-off. Estonia and Lithuania have had a similar but less pronounced population decline since peaks around 1990, and the last time they had their current populations was probably circa 1965-70. Hungary's population now is comparable to its population in the mid-1950s. In the Balkans, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Serbia have populations now comparable to their populations in the late 1960s. All of these are still falling gradually.

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    Latvia also had an earlier peak of 2.5m in 1914 pre-WWI, which seems worth mentioning as an even starker peak within OP’s criteria. Or did you omit that because it’s less clear whether it was (roughly) the same boundaries as today? Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 10:06
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    @PeterLeFanuLumsdaine well spotted - I'd missed that, somehow! Although I'm also quite unclear on how the boundaries were defined then. Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 10:20
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    @PeterLeFanuLumsdaine had another look at the data and updated - thanks again Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 14:35
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    Minor nitpick: Latvia's borders in 1935 weren't quite the same as they are today, as a small amount of the northeastern fringe of prewar Latvia was annexed to Russia in 1944 and is still Russian today.
    – Vikki
    Commented Mar 30, 2021 at 0:26
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    @Vikki-formerlySean ah, thankyou! I suspected there might have been Soviet-era realignments but hadn't managed to find the details. It looks like this covered about 35k people in 1944, itself presumably down on 1935, and the oblast that covers most of the ceded area is now only ~12k (and falling), so the overall pattern still probably holds. Commented Mar 30, 2021 at 8:49
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The US state of West Virginia (about 62,000 square kilometers), reached its recorded population peak of a hair over 2 million people at the 1950 census. It declined immediately thereafter, and has spent the time since bumping around 1.8 million mark. Their 2020 Census result showed a 3.48% decline from 2010, back down to a hair over their 1990 level.

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The state is entirely within the Appalachian Mountains, and its economy has always been heavily centered on mining, particularly coal extraction. That's not a shrinking industry just yet, but there has been a lot more competition from other producing regions since the end of WWII, this is a very labor-intensive activity, and the US isn't exactly known for its dirt cheap labor costs.

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    Looking at the population history of other US states & jurisdictions, this appears to be the only one that qualifies. North Dakota had less population in the 2010 census than in 1930, but it has experienced a population boom since then due to development of the Bakken oil field. The District of Columbia currently qualifies population-wise but doesn't meet the OP's land requirement. Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 20:30
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    @MichaelSeifert - Thank you for checking. I suspected as much, but didn't feel like I had the spare time it would take to be sure.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 21:07
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    This table makes it a lot clearer which states experienced substantial declines historically. On further examination, though, it only goes back to 1910; I suppose there might be some states that had greater populations in 1900 than they do today, though I doubt it. Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 21:17
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    @MichaelSeifert - One really interesting thing I noticed in there was that the effect of the Great Depression/Dust Bowl was clearly evident. The majority of US States with any decline anywhere in their history lost people in the 1940 Census.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 22:16
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    The 2020 Census gave an official population of 1,795,045 for West Virginia, basically the same as their population in 1990 (and still well below their 1950 population.) Commented Apr 28, 2021 at 1:53
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East Germany (the former GDR) had a steady population decline since the 1950s which continues until today. They started with about 18.5 million in 1950 and had about 16.5 million in 1989. In 2015 the area had about 14 to 14.5 million inhabitants (own calculation, assuming 1.5 to 2 million inhabitants in the Eastern part of Berlin and neglecting smaller border changes e.g. in Weststaaken or Amt Neuhaus).

Berlin itself had a population of 4.3 million in 1939, 3.4 million in 1989 and is at about 3.7 millions today.

The Czech republic today seems to have a (very very slightly) smaller population today than Bohemia and Moravia had in 1930.

Abkhazia had a population of 380 000 in 1950, peaked above 500 000 in the 1980s and is below 250 000 now. South Ossetia's population is also considerably less now then it was in 1939. However, in neither case I am really sure whether the population numbers are for the same area. One might suspect current lines of military control are not wholly equal to Soviet-era administrative boundaries. And both regions do not really fit your size criteria.

One might suspect the pattern of population decline is quite similar in Karabakh if we include the surrounding areas that were occupied by Armenia until recently. However, in this area I am reasonably certain that lines of military control did not follow administrative boundaries from previous censuses.

I initially had suspected that those parts of Germany that became part of Poland or Russia after WWII* had also not fully caught up with their pre-war population numbers, but looking at the population numbers from this fairly official German site and current population numbers of roughly similar Polish administrative units today that does not really seem to be the case. Or at least it is not obvious. And the major cities (e.g. Szczecin, Wrocław, Gdańsk, Kaliningrad) are not smaller now than they were before the war.

*i.e. East Prussia, almost all of Silesia, most of Pomerania, and Eastern Brandenburg

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    About Poland and Russia, for historical clarity, most of the northern territory of Poland and the enclave of Kaliningrad where in fact Prussia before WWI, and the poppulation there was germanic, with a big minority of slavic speaker (pole). After WWI the allied recreated the Polish republic, but it didn't go until after WW2 that about those 2 milions german speakers fled to Germany out of fear. Russia moved a lot of population in those area to try to fill it.
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    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 16:07
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    @werfu: Szczecin and (at least in Polish usage) Gdańsk are in Pomerania, and Wrocław is in Silesia. This fairly official German page says that 3.6 million fled from the now Polish areas during the war and about 4.4 millions were deported afterwards: bpb.de/gesellschaft/migration/dossier-migration-ALT/56431/…
    – Jan
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 19:22
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One answer that hasn't been mentioned yet is Sakhalin. (I agree that West Virginia and East Germany are great answers, by the way, and upvoted both of those ) At 500,000 today, Sakhalin appears to have had a population of at least 575,000 during WWII (400,000 Japanese and at least 175,000 Koreans). It's over 70,000 sq km and is quite well-defined, being an island.

However, there are a lot of close calls and maybes:

If you had asked a few years ago, North Dakota (at over 180,000 sq km) would have been an answer to your question, having peaked at around 680,000 around or about 1930. However, extraction of oil from shale via fracking in the early 21st century led to a population explosion, from 640,000 in 2008 to over 750,000 just eight years later (still roughly where it is). If the Biden administration bans fracking, North Dakota may be going back on your list.

At over 40,000 sq km, Michigan's Upper Peninsula (a well-defined geographic unit of the state of Michigan), definitely shrank in population, though its peak was below 500,000. It peaked in population around 1920 at over 330,000, down to 311,000 or so in 2010 and about 295,000 today. Continuing a theme (see also T.E.D.'s answer on West Virginia), the Upper Peninsula is primarily a mining concern, producing 25% of the US's iron ore, and transshipping almost all of it through Sault Ste. Marie (since almost all the rest comes from Northeastern Minnesota).

The population of Washington DC peaked at almost 900,000 in between censuses during the 1940s for a variety of reasons and hasn't come close since. It bottomed out at less than 600,000 a few decades ago and only recently made it back past 700,000. But of course, at around 200 sq km, DC doesn't come close to your size requirement.

Puerto Rico has seen precipitous population decline over the last 10-15, from a peak near 4 million, to not much more than 3 million today, but of course that peak was not pre-1950, and it's a little under 10,000 sq km.

Sardinia has been flat population-wise for at least three decades, so that may eventually be an answer to your question, if you update 1950 to 1990 or so.

Magadan Oblast in Russia has about 225,000 people in 1950, peaked at about 550,000 shortly before the collapse of the USSR, and currently has a population of about 150,000!!

Similarly, Kamchatka Krai seems to have fallen to about 320,000 from a 1989 population around 460,000. I don't have pre-1989 numbers. It's possible it was over 500,000 at some point.

I suspect Sverdlovsk Oblast (location of Yekaterinburg) may well have had a larger population in 1942-1943 than today's 4.3 million due to the evacuation of Soviet industry and many civilians behind the Urals. This one would meet all your criteria, but good luck finding the mid-war population numbers for that one....

I should add that in all these cases, the cause was emigration rather than genocide or a big increase in death rates, mostly voluntary, with the obvious exception of Sakhalin. In some cases the emigration was due to deteriorating economic conditions, in others due to having had an unusual population peak either due to wartime refugees or wartime production or to mineral extraction. (I suspect when we run out of oil you'll be adding Saudi Arabia to your list.) Obviously this isn't to say that genocide doesn't happen, just that surviving populations don't avoid good real estate just because a lot of people died there. Even in the case of Ireland, the massive waves of emigration were responsible for most of the population loss. If the Irish diaspora all returned to Ireland, it would have something like 30,000,000 people (guesstimate...and "apportioning" people of partial Irish ancestry) and a population density on the order of Belgium's.

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    Commented Aug 16, 2022 at 3:41
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Bulgaria, 110'000 square km area. In 1949 it had a population of 7,195,000. Nowadays it is well below 7 milions (and declining, so this answer, written in 2021, it should hold true for a couple of years at least).

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The Classic Maya Civilization

One specific example is the Guatemalan province of El Petén, which contains the ruins of the city now known as Tikal.

Many cities of the Maya used to have populations in the tens of thousands, or even above one hundred thousand, in the Classic period. They were abandoned approximately 1,100 years ago. and the population density of some parts of Central America (depending on how you want to demarcate it) is still lower today. Estimates of the population of Central America in the Classic Mayan period vary greatly, but the population was distributed very differently, so there are surely many areas that have lower populations than in 900 C.E.

For example, Tikal, which in the late 800s is estimated to have had a population above 100,000 and to have been surrounded by farms providing it with food, is now a ruin surrounded by a national park in Guatemala. The closest modern city that size is La Libertad, 100 km away.

Edit: Since a comment has challenged whether this example meets conditions 1 and 2, some more specific population estimates. LIDAR studies show that the population of the Maya Empire at its height was between 5 and 15 million. Estimates of the population around Tikal are disputed, but one says, “In a region within a 25 kilometres (16 mi) radius of the site core and including some satellite sites, peak population is estimated at 425,000 with a density of 216 per square kilometer (515 per square mile).” That’s approximately 2,000 km², nearly all of which is a nature reserve today, and the closest modern cities (which are much smaller) are 64 km away. There are fewer than 550,000 people living in the Department of El Petén today, which has an area of nearly 36,000 km². There were certainly Maya living within that area, more than 25 km from Tikal. For example, another large city, Calakmul, was located 35 km north of the present-day border between Guatemala and Mexico.

Regardless of the major uncertainties about who was living where in the year 900, there was such a complete abandonment of that area that it certainly would be possible to draw an outline on a map, at least 20 km² large, where more people lived in the Classic Maya period than now, whether or not it exactly matches any modern boundary.

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    I added a link in support of your first statement but you need something for "the population density of some parts of Central America (depending on how you want to demarcate it) is still lower today". Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 7:19
  • @LarsBosteen All right, I added an example: the national park surrounding Tikal in Guatemala, which used to be a city of more than 100.000 people surrounded by maize farms.
    – Davislor
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 10:53
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    Doesn't seem to work with the criteria in the question, in particular 1 and 2
    – AakashM
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 11:18
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    Big fan of the classical Mayans, but a quick checks shows that the population of Guatemala today is about 17 million, while the Mexican states of Quintana Roo, Yucatan, Campeche, Chiapata, and Tabasco are 1.9mil, 2.3mil, 1.9mil, 5.5 mil, and 2.4 mil each, for a total in the same area of about 30 million.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 20:57
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    The thing is, this one didn't . Those areas I added up were the classical Mayan area. Almost exactly. The population there appears to be higher now.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 21:50
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Norrland

The northern of the three Swedish "lands" (the other being Götaland and Svealand). Being over half of Sweden's area it should satisfy your first criterion.

Statistiska centralbyrån keeps population statistics, and shows the population being barely higher in 1950 (1 185 986) than in 2020 (1 185 781). The population peak was in 1960.

While not a significant drop by itself, it illustrates a larger trend of many parts of Scandinavia having a dwindling population, despite an overall population growth in the countries. This is largely an urbanisation effect, but will usually be invisible if counting administrative regions as a whole since they naturally contain both urban and rural areas.

By subdividing further into "more rural" and "more urban" regions, one may certainly find larger drops (Lappland, -28% since 1950, -36% since 1960), but these will not be large enough to fulfil your minimum population criterion.

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    I like your answer, but - although plausible - I can't verify your numbers through your link. Specifically: I can't find numbers for 1950 and not for "Norrland". Since your link is very general, could you replace it with the specific pages that you used for your conclusion? Commented Apr 1, 2021 at 9:32
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Even though it does not meet your size or population criteria I'd like to submit Vatican City as an honorable mention. According to the linked website, the population declined from a post-war 900 to about 800 today.

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    Why do you even answer since you said yourself it does not answer the question?
    – Bregalad
    Commented Apr 1, 2021 at 7:24
  • @Bregalad Yeah, why even bother, you are right. Flag it. Commented Apr 1, 2021 at 9:19
  • @Peter, people here hate any infraction of their standards, and don't even think of introducing a hint of levity. Commented Nov 4, 2021 at 16:49
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Ukraine: 40.5M in 1939, 35.8M in July 2024.


Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine (2024):

на липень 2024 р. — 35,8 млн. осіб, у тому числі на територіях, на яких органи державної влади здійснюють свої повноваження у повному обсязі, — 31,1 млн. осіб

Google translated:

as of July 2024 — 35.8 million people, including 31.1 million people in territories where state authorities exercise their powers in full


Statistical Yearbook of Ukraine 2020, p. 29 states that the population in 1939 was 40.5M. Note that

The population statistics for 1939 is given within the current boundaries of Ukraine’s territory

WWII of course happened right after that, and carried out among other places on Ukrainian soil. The dataset used by the UN's World Population Prospects shows that in 1950 the country's population was down to about 38 million, and rapidly recovering.

Still, its been on a decline since 1995 (as has much of Europe), and sans-war probably would have gone under the 1950 level on its own in a few years (2034 by UN projections).

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  • OK, this poses an interesting question. At the time this question was written back in 2021, the population of the nation was about 43M (higher than your earlier number). Then Russia invaded, and now yes its way lower. Which raises the question, do we consider "now" in the question to be the day the question was asked (which makes answers less and less useful), the day an answer is posted (which would make the roll-up-wiki answer highly problematic), or the ever-advancing "now" of readers (which will quite likely make most current answers retroactively wrong at some point)?
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Oct 8 at 13:02
  • I realize that on the scale of human problems caused by Russian invasion of Ukraine, starting with Crimes against Humanity up at the top, the problem of messing this question up is way down at the bottom. But it is our problem to deal with.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Oct 8 at 13:06
  • Hmm. Of course this introspection may not be totally necessary. I'm noticing this answer picked a population from 1939, which was also right before a very destructive war carried out on Ukrainian soil. I found one source that is saying the population of Ukraine in 1950 (the date we're supposed to be using) was actually about 37M. So actually kind of comparable to today (for now). The projection on the line is that, assuming the war ends positively, it would be more like 39M in 2026.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Oct 8 at 13:21
  • I think I'm going to come down on the side of "Ukraine is a developing news story, not a historical one (yet), so we probably shouldn't include it until we know how things finally shook out." Edited the extra info into the answer in the meantime.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Oct 8 at 13:25
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Some administrative units of Russia/USSR/Russian Empire:

Zabaykalsky Krai (area: 431,892 km²)

1926: 2,934,000

2021: 1,004,125

Arkhangelsk Oblast (area: 413,103 km²)

1939: 1,199,200

2021: 978,873

Omsk Oblast (area: 141,140 km²)

1926: 2,075,967

2021: 1,858,798

Kirov Oblast (area: 120,374 km²)

1939: 2,226,000

1897: 3,030,831

2021: 1,153,680

Vologda Oblast (area: 144,527 km²)

1939: 1,599,000

2021: 1,142,827

Nizhny Novgorod Oblast (area: 76,624 km²)

1939: 3,565,000

2021: 3,119,115

Ulyanovsk Oblast (area: 37,181 km²)

1897: 1,527,848

1926: 1,384,220

2021: 1,196,745

Saratov Oblast (area: 101,240 km²)

1897: 2,405,829

1926: 3,021,937

2021: 2,442,575

Astrakhan Oblast (area: 49,024 km²)

1897: 1,003,542

2021: 960,142

Kostroma_Oblast (area: 60,211 km²)

1897: 1,387,015

1926: 811,619

2021: 580,976

Novgorod Oblast (area: 54,501 km²)

1897: 1,367,022

1926: 1,050,604

2021: 583,387

Pskov Oblast (area: 55,399 km²)

1897: 1,122,317

1926: 1,788,418

1939: 1,549,800

2021: 599,084

Tver Oblast (area: 84,201 km²)

1897: 1,769,135

1926: 2,242,350

2021: 1,230,171

Ryazan Oblast (area: 39,605 km²)

1897: 1,802,196

1926: 2,428,914

2021: 1,102,810

Mordovia (area: 26,128 km²)

1926: 1,260,073

2021: 783,552

Penza Oblast (area: 43,352 km²)

1897: 1,470,474

1926: 2,208,780

2021: 1,266,348

Tula Oblast (area: 25,679 km²)

1926: 1,505,263

2021: 1,501,214

Kaluga Oblast (area: 29,777 km²)

1897: 1,132,843

1926: 1,151,591

2021: 1,069,904

Smolensk Oblast (area: 49,779 km²)

1897: 1,525,279

1926: 2,292,712

2021: 888,421

Bryansk Oblast (area: 34,857 km²)

1926: 2,006,438

2021: 1,169,161

Kursk Oblast (area: 29,997 km²)

1897: 2,371,012

1926: 2,906,360

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